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sup folks - here's pics of my truck - it's an 02 Dakota Quadcab: 440, 46rh, Atlas4, Dana 60 front, 14b rear, and 40" Toyos. It's been in work for over 3 years and is just recently rolling under its own power. It was built to be a 100% streetable rockcrawler/camping machine - I call it a 'Rocklander'. How it looks right now - The 440 is a 78 block from a 79 Winnebago motorcoach, and besides a stock 9-1 rebuild has these upgrades: Holley Sniper EFI and Hyperspark dizzy/ignition on a Performer RPM intake, MP valve covers, CVF serpentine conversion, Fast Fish rear main seal, Engine Pro MC1787 RV cam (278/288 advertised, 204/214 @ 50, .420/.443, 107/117 lobe sep), OE truck manifolds, Milodon 8-qt off-road pan, RV water pump housing and 180* Milodon RV skirted thermostat. Oh and yah it and the tranny are painted Cummins beige for an extra 10 lbs of torque... The 46rh was pulled from a 94 Dakota 4x4 with a 318, and got a full diesel rebuild and a Hughes towing converter - Did a solid axle swap up front and bolted up a high-pinion kingpin D60 from an '89 Ford F350; it's got 5.38 gears, Grizzly locker, Crane cover, RCV shafts, Reid knuckles, Yukon spindles, SpeedHouse GM brake conversion kit (enabling use of OE Chevy 3/4-ton discs), and Warn lockouts. The rear is a 14 bolt FF from an '03 Chevy 2500 gasser with 5.38s, Grizzly locker, Crane cover, and stock shafts for now.
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71 Demon (project): 318, A-833od, 8-3/4, 3.23's 14 Wrangler JKU M-380 "Kilroy" (under construction): Magnum 360, 46rh, Atlas4, D60/14b-5.38s-Grizzlys, 40s 52 Willys M-38 "Poncho"
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Re: 02 Dakota QC 'Rocklander' 440x4x4x40's...
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71 Demon (project): 318, A-833od, 8-3/4, 3.23's 14 Wrangler JKU M-380 "Kilroy" (under construction): Magnum 360, 46rh, Atlas4, D60/14b-5.38s-Grizzlys, 40s 52 Willys M-38 "Poncho"
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Yep, that is a great build.
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Very nice! Tim
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thanks all. This build started out being pretty basic, but like most soon gained a mad mind of its own involving lots more voodoo than I'd planned, but it seems to be working out pretty well. I've been slowly addressing the bugs and it's getting better and better. Hoping to have it 'ready' for the trails in a couple months, and I'll post up more along the way, and video's of it in action. Meanwhile, Happy Holidays! - Sam
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71 Demon (project): 318, A-833od, 8-3/4, 3.23's 14 Wrangler JKU M-380 "Kilroy" (under construction): Magnum 360, 46rh, Atlas4, D60/14b-5.38s-Grizzlys, 40s 52 Willys M-38 "Poncho"
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71 Demon (project): 318, A-833od, 8-3/4, 3.23's 14 Wrangler JKU M-380 "Kilroy" (under construction): Magnum 360, 46rh, Atlas4, D60/14b-5.38s-Grizzlys, 40s 52 Willys M-38 "Poncho"
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our club had a UHF/VHR radio clinic at our place, and I took the opportunity to line up the hardware from tallest to smallest - some interesting comparisons. Also...yah the Dak sounds niiiiice with the 3rd muffler
71 Demon (project): 318, A-833od, 8-3/4, 3.23's 14 Wrangler JKU M-380 "Kilroy" (under construction): Magnum 360, 46rh, Atlas4, D60/14b-5.38s-Grizzlys, 40s 52 Willys M-38 "Poncho"
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...been a while since I've posted any updates, and I got one now. After months of deliberation I made me a Command decision: The 440 is coming out, and my original low-mile 360 is going back in, where it belongs. Everything gets 'simpler', plus it'll be lighter, quieter, cooler (more 'room'), with plenty of power, and 88 less cubic inches to feed when crawling the trails. The 360 will be set up basically be the same as the 440 was - I'm bolting on an Edelbrock 7577 intake, and a 2bbl 570 cfm Holley Sniper with HyperSpark ignition will top it off. The 2bbl Sniper will be SO much simpler, and for this truck that was a major part of the decision to swap engines. I'm considering a cam upgrade while it's apart. While nice and smooth the cam in it now is 'tiny', and I'm looking at the following Hughes grinds to help it breath a bit better without sacrificing the nice smooth low end (probably #2 or 3) - HUG SER9703ALN-14 SB HYD RLR CAM 197/203 -114ÂșLSA NEW CORE HUG SER0814ALN-14 SB HYD RLR CAM 208/214 -114ÂșLSA NEW CORE HUG SER1418ALN-14 SB HYD RLR CAM 214/218 -114ÂșLSA NEW CORE HUG SER1822ALN-14 SB HYD RLR CAM 218/222 -114ÂșLSA NEW CORE The 360 will be 'plenty' for this truck, especially with the 2bbl Sniper and HyperSpark ignition, and the 2bbl Sniper will easily handle a stroker kit if I choose to go there down the road. But since I'll have it literally down to the cam that's a perfect time to employ some natural gains there. I'm waiting to hear back from Hughes on recommendations, and welcome anyone else's too. What about the 440? Well it's really a cool story - one of my best friends is buying it at cost, complete with the Sniper and HyperSpark ignition, just less the truck oil pan and manifolds, and even more perfect is it's goin' under the hood of a car he got from me a few years ago... - this car :cool2: So yah - it's a grand plan and it's gonna be great
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71 Demon (project): 318, A-833od, 8-3/4, 3.23's 14 Wrangler JKU M-380 "Kilroy" (under construction): Magnum 360, 46rh, Atlas4, D60/14b-5.38s-Grizzlys, 40s 52 Willys M-38 "Poncho"
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ok, at Comp Cam's recommendation I'll be installing their 20-745-9: 212-218 (264/270), .480/.480, on a 114* LSA. The next cam down was their 20-744-9, which is a 206/212 (258/264) also with .480.480), but on a 112*, and with my intended use he indicated the 114* of the taller cam would make my idle a bit better while still giving a real nice mid-range and upper end, and that sounded good to me. Hughes recommended a 210/216, on a 110*, and both Howards and Bullet had similar recommendations...but none were available at either and no end in sight for backorders, so Comp Cams it is. Appreciate any/all thoughts about how the Comp bumpstick will 'perform' in my 360. OBTW, I think the stock/OE cam is 184/194, .410/.410, 112*... https://www.compcams.com/xtreme-ene...ulic-roller-cam-for-chrysler-magnum.html- Sam
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71 Demon (project): 318, A-833od, 8-3/4, 3.23's 14 Wrangler JKU M-380 "Kilroy" (under construction): Magnum 360, 46rh, Atlas4, D60/14b-5.38s-Grizzlys, 40s 52 Willys M-38 "Poncho"
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Got about half of the lifters disassembled - wow were they stuck - no 'springiness' to the plunger, but after some brake cleaner/internal cleaning/working them back-n-forth they have come apart. Made a quick trip to Harbor Freight and picked up an ultrasonic cleaner, filled it with a mix of purple power and water, dropped in all the bits, gave them a final cleaning with brake cleaner, and reassembly with fresh oil, and now the first few have their 'boing' back and feel good. Meanwhile, taking full advantage of the holidays online sales and have a bunch of the reassembly hardware coming, including a 'longer' Wix 51515 oil filter, and I'll be using Lucas Classic and Hot Rod (high zinc) Conventional 10W40 oil at least for the first few thousand miles. I know the cam doesn't 'need' the high zinc, but with all the fresh internals I figure it won't hurt, then at the first oil change I'll go with regular off-the-shelf conventional 10W40. I'm also going to try a thermostat with a rubber gasket vs a paper one - I figure if these work other engines it should work for mine - the OD and ratings are all the same so why not. This is the stat I'm gonna try - https://www.oreillyauto.com/detail/c/plus/murray-plus-180-degree-thermostat/mcs1/4698?q=thermostat+Flange+Diameter+%28in%29%3A+2-1%2F8+Inch+Gasket+Material%3A+Rubber&pos=1 Here's my early morning 'office' for the next several days - - Sam
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71 Demon (project): 318, A-833od, 8-3/4, 3.23's 14 Wrangler JKU M-380 "Kilroy" (under construction): Magnum 360, 46rh, Atlas4, D60/14b-5.38s-Grizzlys, 40s 52 Willys M-38 "Poncho"
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71 Demon (project): 318, A-833od, 8-3/4, 3.23's 14 Wrangler JKU M-380 "Kilroy" (under construction): Magnum 360, 46rh, Atlas4, D60/14b-5.38s-Grizzlys, 40s 52 Willys M-38 "Poncho"
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Lifters are almost all restored and so far so good, oil pan is off, timing chain and cam are next, then I'll pull each main and check the bearings, and roll in a new rear main seal, and that's about as far 'down' as I'm planning to take the engine. Meanwhile, here's another example of how well the sonic cleaner works: the dizzy drive shaft - took it straight out of the engine and dropped it right in the tub; the difference and 'cleaning' capability is truly impressive - wish I'd discovered the utility of these things years ago. Before - after -
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71 Demon (project): 318, A-833od, 8-3/4, 3.23's 14 Wrangler JKU M-380 "Kilroy" (under construction): Magnum 360, 46rh, Atlas4, D60/14b-5.38s-Grizzlys, 40s 52 Willys M-38 "Poncho"
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...so based on lots of intel I'm planning to 'bolt it up and go', but here's some gee-wiz info regarding lifter preload... My 360 ran nice and quiet before pulling it, and I want it to be just as silky smoove this next go. I wanted to get a 'baseline' for my OE lifter preload - it seemed to be just right before, so may as well try to determine how it 'was'. With the OE cam still in, I reinstalled two of the restored lifters, laid on the old head gasket and bolted on one of the heads (tightened down 'snug' but not torqued), installed the rods n rockers loose, tightened the rocker bolts to 'no-slack', then measured how many turns the bolts needed before hitting 21 lbs. And a pic 'cuz that's how we roll - Both exhaust and intake rocker bolts made 1.75-1.8 turns before hitting the spec of 21 ft/lbs. The question thus is..."ok...but how much pre-load is that"? Apparently it was just right - the engine was quiet at all times, so I can only presume it was 'good'. Not very scientific but there it is. I've been told that between 1-2 turns is 'good'. My new Comp cam is a new core (not a re-grind), and has just a bit higher lift...and I think that is achieved by grinding the base circle 'down' (compared to the OE cam that was in it), which means the lifters will be 'further away' from the rockers than with the OE cam, so with the same push rods there'll be more distance between the rocker cup and base circle, so that means I'll have less pre-load, and according to Hughes Engines the lifter pre-load spec for a 5.9 magnum with hydraulic roller lifters is 0.080-0.095". In theory I'll have even less with the new cam (presumed lower base circle, but maybe not if there was 'room' for a taller lobe - don't know), possibly going the full 2 turns. At any rate, IIUC the hydraulic nature of the lifters can 'absorb' minor inconsistencies like this, and based on several sources I'm going to bolt it up as-is, but I figured I'd just pass on what I'd found.
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71 Demon (project): 318, A-833od, 8-3/4, 3.23's 14 Wrangler JKU M-380 "Kilroy" (under construction): Magnum 360, 46rh, Atlas4, D60/14b-5.38s-Grizzlys, 40s 52 Willys M-38 "Poncho"
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