Re: Recommendations on clutches
[Re: 83hurstguy]
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12/21/22 10:09 AM
12/21/22 10:09 AM
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therocks
oh wait.but hey.lets see.oh yeah.
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oh wait.but hey.lets see.oh yeah.
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Niles , Ohio
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Ran Mc Cleod for years.Then went center force.Will never go back to another.Mines been in for years now and still like new.Only time Ive seen people have problems is not setup or broke in correct.That and many are still used to having a ton of leg pressure
Chrysler Firepower
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Re: Recommendations on clutches
[Re: 83hurstguy]
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12/21/22 10:57 AM
12/21/22 10:57 AM
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Posts: 10,201 Someplace you aren't
SomeCarGuy
I Live Here
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I Live Here
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Someplace you aren't
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We use the Ram Powergrip HD's and they take some abuse. I saw a brand new Centerforce have the pedal go to the floor on the fourth pass of a mid-13 second car on polyglas tires this fall... They do that with the over center spring still in place. Funny action until you get that out of there. Can’t adjust it to work right, goes to floor. All of that.
I want my fair share
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Re: Recommendations on clutches
[Re: fastmark]
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12/21/22 02:54 PM
12/21/22 02:54 PM
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Sinitro
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I’ve installed one McLeod diaphragm type in a 70 RR. The release rate was terrible. It was light sure enough. That’s what the lady wanted. It was too fast and you could not slowly release it so the car was not smooth. I’ve talked to McLeod about is and there is nothing they can do about that. I had another customer with a 69 Bee. It already had a Centerforce diaphragm. It was better but not by much. Another friend bought a brand new Centerforce and hated it so bad, he install a parts store Borg and Beck style. It’s much better he says. My last build had a Centerforce in the car when it got to the shop. It was fair but same issue. The release rate is off from stock Mopar. A diaphragm clutch is a Chevy design. It’s just a different release rate. So this last customer bought a Ram Borg and Beck. He loves it. I drove it. It works like a Mopar clutch should. Now the absolute best clutch I’ve ever driven is a McLeod twin disc that was the Long style fingers. It is as smooth as butter, not hard to push down, the release point is perfect and best of all, it holds a 680 HP hemi! It is a little pricey. So my vote is for the Mopar style Borg and Beck from Ram. Over the years we have run different brand clutches in our RoadRunner... Hays, CenterForce, McLeod.. The best one for endurance was the McLeod, worst was the CenterForce. Then last year we changed out the 4-speed to an manual w/overdrive, and since we had the drive train apart we decided to install a new clutch pressure plate, disk and flywheel. But found out that McLeod no longer supplied a Borg Beck pressure plate so we talked with Ram and they put together a mixed kit and install went fine. All is well, clutch grabs good, reasonable pedal pressure. Just my $0.02...
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Re: Recommendations on clutches
[Re: fastmark]
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12/22/22 01:09 PM
12/22/22 01:09 PM
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jbc426
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I’ve installed one McLeod diaphragm type in a 70 RR. The release rate was terrible. It was light sure enough. That’s what the lady wanted. It was too fast and you could not slowly release it so the car was not smooth. I’ve talked to McLeod about is and there is nothing they can do about that. I had another customer with a 69 Bee. It already had a Centerforce diaphragm. It was better but not by much. Another friend bought a brand new Centerforce and hated it so bad, he install a parts store Borg and Beck style. It’s much better he says. My last build had a Centerforce in the car when it got to the shop. It was fair but same issue. The release rate is off from stock Mopar. A diaphragm clutch is a Chevy design. It’s just a different release rate. So this last customer bought a Ram Borg and Beck. He loves it. I drove it. It works like a Mopar clutch should. Now the absolute best clutch I’ve ever driven is a McLeod twin disc that was the Long style fingers. It is as smooth as butter, not hard to push down, the release point is perfect and best of all, it holds a 680 HP hemi! It is a little pricey. So my vote is for the Mopar style Borg and Beck from Ram. X2 on the McLeod Twin Disc. Icing on the cake is the American Powertrain Hydraulic throw-out bearing set-up. Never had much luck with anything else, and the sintered puck clutches I tried chattered very bad on release.
1970 Plymouth 'Cuda #'s 440-6(block in storage)currently 493" 6 pack, Shaker, 5 speed Passon, 4.10's 1968 Plymouth Barracuda Convertible 408 Magnum EFI with 4 speed automatic overdrive, 3800 stall lock-up converter and 4.30's (closest thing to an automatic 5 speed going)
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Re: Recommendations on clutches
[Re: Rhinodart]
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12/22/22 06:20 PM
12/22/22 06:20 PM
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Posts: 43,129 Bend,OR USA
Cab_Burge
I Win
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I Win
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Bend,OR USA
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I will NEVER again use a diaphram Chivvy type clutch, borg and beck or give me death... How about Long (Ford) style?
Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)
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Re: Recommendations on clutches
[Re: Cab_Burge]
#3104655
12/22/22 06:58 PM
12/22/22 06:58 PM
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Posts: 43,523 Round Lake Beach, Illinoisy
Rhinodart
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Rhinotruck
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I will NEVER again use a diaphram Chivvy type clutch, borg and beck or give me death... How about Long (Ford) style? Long is still a three finger style, no issue with it! Don't know why people want a weak diaphram style, I am just old school I guess, never had an issue with a B&B...
The funny thing about science is that if you change one miniscule parameter you change the entire outcome to the way you want it.
JB Rhinehart, Realist
A-Body's RULE!
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