Re: 1960s-1970s Drag Racing Pix
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Rossi 1971 Challenger was built by a chassis builder that had built a bunch of Mopar cars fro drag racing, I can't remember his name right now but he was from Austalia is what I remeber. I think his shop was in or near Santa was his shop was in or near Santa Monica,. CA Ron Butler was his name; He was the drag racing chassis guru at that time, especially for all out sportsman cars up: I don't remember hearing anything about Paul being told to quit racing that car by NHRA but I wasn't in his crew or real close to him either He got into road racing Mopar stock type road racing spec. cars, not all out NASCAR or SCTA all out road racing cars, is what I'm remembering now CRS on the proper series name now Yep, Ron Butler was his name. He built the Mopar Missile Duster, Butch Leal's Pro Stocker and SS/B 1965 A-990 car and others. Ron was a top notch chassis guy. I forget what the exact technical infraction was with Paul's car. It may have had something to do with weight distribution (too much over the back wheels). FWIW- Dwight and Al Lee talked about this car. IIRC, it was very light. Lighter than a 6 cyl car with no cage, radio, or heater. The car definitely had more weight on the rear than the front, if there was no ballast. My understanding is that one of the 'tricks' that made it launch was the front spring perches had been moved downward quite a bit. I would suspect this was one of the last factory backed S/S cars to be built to run on super stock springs. The last year it ran, ladders and 4-links were becoming pretty common. I think Butler was trying something new with this car, too, as it was a lot more flexible along the lengthwise axis, than most of his cars teneded to be. I've heard a few racers comment on how the passenger window glass would pop open at the top as the car pitch rotated up on the launch.
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Re: 1960s-1970s Drag Racing Pix
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11/28/22 10:58 AM
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FWIW- Dwight and Al Lee talked about this car. IIRC, it was very light. Lighter than a 6 cyl car with no cage, radio, or heater. The car definitely had more weight on the rear than the front, if there was no ballast. My understanding is that one of the 'tricks' that made it launch was the front spring perches had been moved downward quite a bit. I would suspect this was one of the last factory backed S/S cars to be built to run on super stock springs. The last year it ran, ladders and 4-links were becoming pretty common. I think Butler was trying something new with this car, too, as it was a lot more flexible along the lengthwise axis, than most of his cars teneded to be. I've heard a few racers comment on how the passenger window glass would pop open at the top as the car pitch rotated up on the launch. Thanks for going into more detail. I knew I wasn't too far off.
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Re: 1960s-1970s Drag Racing Pix
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11/28/22 11:53 AM
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One of "Big Willie" Robinson's HEMI Daytonas. Sometime after founding the International and National Brotherhood of Street Racers in 1968, Big Willie acquired a pair of 1969 Dodge Charger Daytonas – one in orange with a black tail stripe and one in green with a white tail stripe. Rumors that will never be confirmed suggest that the Chrysler Corporate gave Big Willie the orange car while the green car was purchased at a low, special price.
He would drive and race the orange car and his wife, Tomiko, drove and raced the green car. Both Charger Daytonas were decorated for track action, with the International and National Brotherhood of Street Racers logo on the doors, the Keith Black Racing Engines logo on the front fenders, Willie and Tomiko’s names on the quarter panels and unique “graffiti” on the Daytona tail stripe. The stripe on Big Willie’s orange car had the word “King” painted over the Daytona logo while Tomiko’s car had “Queen” painted just below the base of the huge rear wing. Also, the orange car had “Big Willie and Tomiko” on the rear quarters while her green car said “Tomiko and Big Willie”, putting preference to the name of the person who drove and raced each car.
Also, while Big Willie’s Daytona was heavily modified to serve as a full-blown race car, including acid-dipping the body to remove weight, Tomiko’s Daytona was closer to stock, featuring full interior and all of the items needed to serve as the tow vehicle for the orange car. Early on, Big Willie relied on a modified 426 HEMI engine, but he would eventually swap in a 556-cubic-inch HEMI engine from Keith Black Racing Engines. The aftermarket hood of those HEMI engine-powered cars carried the moniker “African Elephant” to signify that HEMI engine power under the hood. Unfortunately, years of racing the acid-dipped orange King Daytona with that monster KB HEMI engine power destroyed the car, forcing Robinson to retire it from racing while the Queen Daytona car was lost in an on-track crash sometime in early 1973.
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Re: 1960s-1970s Drag Racing Pix
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where are any roy hill p/s cars The blue/red Arrow is Roy.
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Re: 1960s-1970s Drag Racing Pix
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12/03/22 02:52 AM
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I have a bunch of my dad's old slides from Indy in 68-71 and New York National in 68. However I can't post on here because they only allow 4mb pictures. Is there an easy way to post them on here with out spending a bunch of time re-sizing them? I'd love to see them. I use this photo hosting web site to upload my pix to this forum. No need to re-size. I like them large. https://www.imagebam.com/If you need help let me know and I'll walk you through the procedure.
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Re: 1960s-1970s Drag Racing Pix
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Found this link a few years back from an old airport where they raced occasionally back in the early 70's... It was great to see Dad's old 69 Dart "Banshee" in some of the clips... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIhEwlhHmjU Cool! I've seen photos of your dad's car. In fact, I believe I have at least one if not more in my collection. If I come across them, I'll post the pix.
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Re: 1960s-1970s Drag Racing Pix
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I have a bunch of my dad's old slides from Indy in 68-71 and New York National in 68. However I can't post on here because they only allow 4mb pictures. Is there an easy way to post them on here with out spending a bunch of time re-sizing them? If you click on “actual size” under the pic you want to post, it will give you resize options Easy peasy
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Re: 1960s-1970s Drag Racing Pix
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12/04/22 03:45 PM
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does anyone know what ever happened to John Teders car? was that the original Mr Motech car in that photo before it was painted for the trade school?
Thank you Kiddart
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