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Re: Slow Progress at Zippy Performance [Re: an8sec70cuda] #3096360
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Left door finally straight @220 and ready to move on to the next thing.

A couple wet coats of surfacer gives the future 320-up something to work with, and shows every mistake when it's wet.
That's how it will sit until the rest is ready.

I can't complain about the fit of the amd door skins, but I believe they required a little more work to straighten than they should.
Above the body character line they were beautiful out of the box and required very little....below the character line, on both sides, wavy and needing alot of effort.
But you know, the original panels were not perfect either.

Currently working on the left door jamb up to the front bulkhead seam, then will bolt the doors and fenders back on temporarily to get to work on the next step.

Looks like the A post/bulkhead will be the last thing to address, I'm going to put it off because the hinges have to come off to treat/prep the metal which
will mean time spent to correct the gaps/panel alignment, so it makes sense to leave the panel alignment and gaps for the very last step of the exterior.




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Re: Slow Progress at Zippy Performance [Re: ZIPPY] #3096388
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As I remember those door skins actually bow inward from front to back slightly. Like if you put a straightedge all the way from the front edge to the back edge.
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Re: Slow Progress at Zippy Performance [Re: dvw] #3097749
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I don't recall noticing that, but on mine a couple inches of each lower corner does curve inward very slightly, then goes pretty flat for the remainder of the exterior surface.

The inward curve is enough to require a flex block in that area.

The originals were somewhat like that too, but admittedly I may have changed it slightly when I did the rust repair to the structures.

Both door jambs are now stripped/epoxy/surfacer @220 following same process as the rest of the body, behind the A pillar bulkhead seam.
To complete the jambs and bulkhead in front of the A pillar seam the car will need to be disassembled more/dash will need to come out, which will come later.

Left rocker panel and pinchweld strip/prep/epoxy was last night. The quarter to rocker transition fill has been roughed in lead for some time, I will finish it in polyester tonight or maybe tomorrow.

I use tall jackstands when I need extra room to work, to get the hoist arms out of the way and allow me to work fairly comfortably standing up.




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Re: Slow Progress at Zippy Performance [Re: ZIPPY] #3097758
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Re: Slow Progress at Zippy Performance [Re: ZIPPY] #3097782
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Originally Posted by ZIPPY
..its not 1982 anymore.
ain't that the truth!

When you hammer and dolly those door skins onto the door frame, does that cause any distortion on the outside edge of the door skin? I've always wondered that.
You're doing a great job, thanks for taking us along!


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Originally Posted by Hemi_Joel
Originally Posted by ZIPPY
..its not 1982 anymore.
ain't that the truth!

When you hammer and dolly those door skins onto the door frame, does that cause any distortion on the outside edge of the door skin? I've always wondered that.
You're doing a great job, thanks for taking us along!


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Re: Slow Progress at Zippy Performance [Re: Hemi_Joel] #3097804
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Originally Posted by Hemi_Joel


When you hammer and dolly those door skins onto the door frame, does that cause any distortion on the outside edge of the door skin? I've always wondered that.


No, it doesn't seem to cause any distortion in the worked areas, but as Jeff referred to... doing it right takes a pretty light touch/high volume of light hits in a small area.

If a person wailed on it too hard, or misused (overtightened, even by a tiny amount) one of the special roller-type tools out there for this purpose, that would cause some damage.

These particular ones were wavy in weird places. One had sort of a vertical low spot/wave issue about 3/4 of the way back, and both of them were
wavy a couple inches above the bottom seam, between the bottom and the character line. That might be why they were discounted/on sale?
While I'm pretty confident that my installation didn't cause any of the issues I had to correct (because the issues were too far away from the worked area), I can't actually guarantee it.
I'm not trained and these are the first I've done, so they are what they are. They're as good as I can make them.

Thanks Ted/mods for letting this stay in the race area for now.


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Re: Slow Progress at Zippy Performance [Re: ZIPPY] #3097873
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I agree , your doing a great job . My brother did body work all his life . Wish I would have watched more . I always helped , but never worked a job start to finish . Gary

Re: Slow Progress at Zippy Performance [Re: Gabby63] #3108136
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Prep on the car continues, still have some light work to do really but not a ton. Mostly it involves taking things off for access.

I've had it in the air (with the opposite side supported on stands from the last post) for a few weeks and am almost done blocking the lower body (from the character line down) to 220, re-priming and repairing things I missed earlier.
Nice to work standing up.

While that is going on I'm planning the next steps to prep the rest of it, and am starting to get my topcoat game together.
I am not going anywhere near the car with base/clear without 100% confidence, and will not learn a tool or a material on the car.
(Learning/trial and error happens somewhere else, on things that don't matter)

Alot has happened but most of it is captured in pictures, and are just details slowly coming together as they should.

I bought my basecoat in sufficient quantity (PPG 2016, the original color which is A4 silver), Boxed the two gallons (mixed to avoid variance between one gallon and the next),
bought myself a new clear gun for X mas because I was concerned my existing tools couldn't shoot the high solids clear I wanted, bought a small amount of the clear,
started to practice on scrap.

Two attempts got the setup for base where I wanted it, four attempts got the clear about as good as I will ever get it.
Notebook with all the details has been started + pics of the notebook saved as well.
However....just like a race vehicle, it's all in the combination. this is all in my comfy 70 degree heated shop...and in spite of this self-schooling I'm positive future temp and humidity conditions could cause me big problems, so I will do another test closer to the big day when base gets applied to the car to stay dialed in, and will try to have more than one activator on hand.

Wish I had a local hookup for mis-mixed colors and whatnot, it'd be nice to get my hands on some extra gray and silver metallics, even stuff that is the wrong shade for my car....just to practice with metallics and spend more time on them. They can be tricky to shoot but when you hit it just right, pride of workmanship gets kicked way up and it feels good. The A4 silver has a TON of metallic (I believe aluminum) in it and is easy to mess up and end up with it looking bad if there is a setup or technique error. Solid colors are much less stressful.

The tools laying on the floor by the practice panel show the reflection, and it's a good enough starting point for me.

My goal is nothing rougher than late model OEM levels of orange peel, that only needs nib and polish to be presentable, and no more.
If it ever gets completely cut and buffed, I'd rather do that years down the road, but I may chase it sooner. Still developing an opinion on that.






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Re: Slow Progress at Zippy Performance [Re: ZIPPY] #3108228
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Wish you were closer as we have LOADS of left over metallics and even candies in the cabinet. Small amounts that once in a blue moon we might use but be happy to give them away as we always buy more.


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Re: Slow Progress at Zippy Performance [Re: Al_Alguire] #3108245
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Appreciate the thought anyway! Small amounts of different stuff would be perfect to practice with.

I have extra of this particular silver color, but knowing how unforgiving candies are supposed to be, maybe they would be even better test material.

OH.......now that I think about it more, I do have some leftover F8-ish (dark green metallic) from my C body.
That color seemed alot easier than this silver, though and I don't think it'd challenge me much...no need to bust that out.


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Re: Slow Progress at Zippy Performance [Re: ZIPPY] #3115538
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Starting to feel like this will go on forever, and wondered if having a little color
On the car might help my bad attitude so I shot the underside
Of the trunk lid.

Having it there to look at is a good motivator and attitude adjuster.


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Re: Slow Progress at Zippy Performance [Re: ZIPPY] #3115541
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It’s helpful to remember how it started/most of the exterior Was about the same.

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Re: Slow Progress at Zippy Performance [Re: ZIPPY] #3115543
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Rich! That's nice man!


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Re: Slow Progress at Zippy Performance [Re: ZIPPY] #3115545
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Thanks for letting the thread hang here for awhile.

Just prep stuff, stripped after repairs, epoxy, surfacer, prepped to p600 and seam sealed,
Then base/clear.

3m has training videos for seam sealer on youtube. Helped me a bunch.

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Re: Slow Progress at Zippy Performance [Re: ZIPPY] #3115548
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When this thing is all done, people will ask. Who did the body? Who did the paint? Who did the motor? You'll be able to answer "I did"
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Looks excellent. I love that silver with the slight green tinit.



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Nice work Rich!

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Originally Posted by dvw
When this thing is all done, people will ask. Who did the body? Who did the paint? Who did the motor? You'll be able to answer "I did"
Doug


And that is a very satisfying accomplishment.

Car is looking great Rich!


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