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Theives breaking in to cars.... #3096154
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Apparently my brother left his 2010 Challenger R/T unlocked the other night and someone went through it and stole some stuff.
He's not sure that he left it unlocked but that's what he thinks might have happened.

The took his work ID, He works for the United States Post Office.
Annoying but replaceable.

What concerns him is that they took the owners manual from the glovebox.

The reason that concerns him is that he's been told that they steal the owners manual because it has the cars PIN number inside it to get a new key fob made and programed without having the car there.

His car is now locked in the garage until he gets this figured out (he should have been doing that all along IMO).

They have his work ID so could they have a key made????
Has anyone ever heard of that before, thieves getting a key fob made like that????


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Don't know the answer to your question but I would put a Club on the steering wheel.

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Just reviewed the owners manual for my 2017 RAM. Didn’t see anything related to a PIN in it. There was a card in there with some numbers a bar code, assembly date and time with information on how to order a new owners manual and or CD. If there was a PIN I may have missed it.

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Originally Posted by Ramrod39
Don't know the answer to your question but I would put a Club on the steering wheel.


He forgot to hit a button to lock the car, what makes you think he'll remember to put on the club, lol.

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Here is info from a 2010 Challanger manual. No PIN in the manual itself.

NOTE: Only Key Fobs that are programmed to the
vehicle electronics can be used to start and operate the
vehicle. Once a Key Fob is programmed to a vehicle, it
cannot be programmed to any other vehicle.
CAUTION!
• Always remove the Key Fobs from the vehicle and
lock all doors when leaving the vehicle unattended.
• For vehicles equipped with Keyless Enter-N-Go,
always remember to place the ignition in OFF.
At the time of purchase, the original owner is provided
with a four-digit Personal Identification Number (PIN).
Keep the PIN in a secure location. This number is
required for authorized dealer replacement of Key Fobs.
Duplication of Key Fobs may be performed at an authorized
dealer, this procedure consists of programming a
blank Key Fob to the vehicle electronics. Ablank Key Fob
is one that has never been programmed.
NOTE: When having the Sentry Key Immobilizer
System serviced, bring all vehicle Key Fobs with you to
the authorized dealer.
Customer Key Programming
Programming Key Fobs or RKE transmitters may be
performed at an authorized dealer.


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Re: Theives breaking in to cars.... [Re: 67vertman] #3096183
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Dealership I go to lost 5 cars earlier this year. Thieves bought a programmer off E-Bay and were programming FOBS sitting in the cars.


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Re: Theives breaking in to cars.... [Re: SNK-EYZ] #3096191
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If he lives in the same state that you do, leave the garage door unlocked and sleep there for a few nights (armed). I suspect they'll be back.
I HATE thieves...

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Originally Posted by Fat_Mike
If he lives in the same state that you do, leave the garage door unlocked and sleep there for a few nights (armed). I suspect they'll be back.
I HATE thieves...


Same here on the hating thieves part.

If he caught them, I'm sure he would respond with excessive loud force to defend his property.

I'm sure that he would rather avoid doing that with the drama it would involve afterwards since criminals are now coddled by so many.

He's in a suburb just outside the city of St.Louis (Lemay) for now but plans on retiring in the next 6 months and moving to a more rural area near where we at.

For now the car will be parked in the garage with padlocks on the garage doors so even if they broke in the garage they can't get the car out if they could actually get a key fob made.

He'll drive his 99 Ram truck for now which he considers kid of a beater, but isn't that bad. laugh2


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Originally Posted by Sniper
Originally Posted by Ramrod39
Don't know the answer to your question but I would put a Club on the steering wheel.


He forgot to hit a button to lock the car, what makes you think he'll remember to put on the club, lol.


You've NEVER accidentally left your car unlocked sitting in your driveway?????


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Originally Posted by Ramrod39
Don't know the answer to your question but I would put a Club on the steering wheel.


10 seconds to defeat The Club with a pair of bolt cutters. Would not stop a motivated thief, the kind who had a key made. Better than nothing when it comes to some random thief looking for a random target though.


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Originally Posted by SNK-EYZ
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Originally Posted by Ramrod39
Don't know the answer to your question but I would put a Club on the steering wheel.


He forgot to hit a button to lock the car, what makes you think he'll remember to put on the club, lol.


You've NEVER accidentally left your car unlocked sitting in your driveway?????


I rarely lock my 51 or my Cuda. Neither of which is hard to break into, hot wire or steal.

But it's not about me, it's about the uselessness of the club. It's more tedious to use than just locking the car with a key fob and it really doesn't do anything to stop someone determined to take your vehicle.

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Sad but true story for many newer car owner.

The side glass is on nearly all new cars are "Snap In" Not bolted in like the old ones we love.

With a little patience it isn't hard to unsnap the glass and remove it from the car with the door shut. Look on Youtube and there are several porch cam videos of people removing the glass and getting into the cars.

Once inside a relatively cheap programmer can make a key work and your car is gone.

Best security option is to bond or fix the glass (all windows) to the lift mechanism so it can't be removed AND use an aftermarket hidden immobilizer & alarm. The flashing lights are not a bad thing but putting Viper alarm stickers on your car just lets the thief know what he has to bypass.

Everyone knows how to bypass the factory security but adding that random alarm & immobilizer circuit to the equation makes the thieves move to an easier target.

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My buddy's car was stolen at Carlisle, a 67 Hemi GTX and he had the club on it. The club was in the spot the car was parked afterwards, the thieves just took a hack saw to the steering wheel... frown


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unfortunately, "automatic" center punches will shatter side glass easily.
a towel against the window muffles the noise, a quick sweep of the seat, and off they go.......... down
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Back in the 80's a friend of mine had a sweet '57 Chevy Bel Air....."Windy Blue"...he called it, since it was light Candy Blue paint. He was so paranoid about it getting stolen that he put anchors in 4 corners of the cement in his garage, and after taking it anywhere, he would anchor the car down with heavy chains....two around the lower control arms, and two around the rear axle. He had these big HD padlocks for the chains. He also disabled the ignition/battery/etc...He was fanatic about that Bel Air not getting stolen. And to my knowledge, he still has that car.


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Originally Posted by IMGTX
The side glass is on nearly all new cars are "Snap In" Not bolted in like the old ones we love.

With a little patience it isn't hard to unsnap the glass and remove it from the car with the door shut. Look on Youtube and there are several porch cam videos of people removing the glass and getting into the cars.
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Could you post a link? couldn't find what you were referring to shruggy beer

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Originally Posted by not_a_charger
Originally Posted by Ramrod39
Don't know the answer to your question but I would put a Club on the steering wheel.


10 seconds to defeat The Club with a pair of bolt cutters. Would not stop a motivated thief, the kind who had a key made. Better than nothing when it comes to some random thief looking for a random target though.


OK, I'm curious. How do you defeat a club in 10 seconds with just a pair of bolt cutters? I use bolt cutters on occasion to remove padlocks and I see no way to cut a club off with a pair. Unless they are maybe 6 feet long...

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Originally Posted by Ramrod39
Originally Posted by not_a_charger
Originally Posted by Ramrod39
Don't know the answer to your question but I would put a Club on the steering wheel.


10 seconds to defeat The Club with a pair of bolt cutters. Would not stop a motivated thief, the kind who had a key made. Better than nothing when it comes to some random thief looking for a random target though.


OK, I'm curious. How do you defeat a club in 10 seconds with just a pair of bolt cutters? I use bolt cutters on occasion to remove padlocks and I see no way to cut a club off with a pair. Unless they are maybe 6 feet long...


I agree…it would take a serious set with mega leverage and room. Not 10 seconds.

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The pin for key programming is NOT in the owners manual….. unless you wrote it there.
IF you lose a key, fear one was stolen, nefarious ex has one, we can blank all keys and reprogram the ones in your possession.

With the ease of being able to steal my 01 Ram I’d always disable the injector pump and remove the starter relay. The pickup was excellent condition and I couldn’t afford to lose it easily.

With the departure of the 01 and the arrival of the 17 3500 I started researching if they too were stolen with some frequency. The informative videos on the theft of newer vehicles was astounding. While there’s great technology to prevent this built in, theirs even greater tech making it possible.

And anyone on FB it seems we’ll see at least once a week someone who’s mid 2000s Ford F-350 that has disappeared.

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