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Still ‘Aint’US: cheap battery 500e #3095709
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The Cheapest Electric Car Hits the US Market
You will no longer have a reason not to buy an electric vehicle.

The demand for electric vehicles is definitely on the rise.

Automakers are saying so by flooding their green car production operations with billions of dollars in investment. The recent surge in gasoline prices at the pump has convinced skeptics to look at the potential of less polluting vehicles.

But despite all these positive signals, the cost remains a major obstacle in the adoption of electric vehicles by the masses, even if fans of electric vehicles like to say that, over its lifetime, a green vehicle is less expensive than a gasoline one.

But most consumers arbitrate at the time of purchase and focus on the price tag. Take the case of gasoline vehicles with an electric version. The classic Hyundai Kona has a base price of $22,595, while the Hyundai Kona Electric costs $49,900. It's the same thing at Ford where the F-150 pickup/truck has a base price of $40,960 vs. $54,769 for the F-150 Lightning, its green version.

These significant price differences very often deter many consumers from taking the plunge into electric. The challenge for car manufacturers is, therefore, to offer an electric vehicle at an affordable price, which is not easy, because the various raw materials needed to develop the battery are expensive.

Fiat 500e

The Italian brand Fiat, which belongs to Stellantis (STLA) - Get Free Report, formerly Fiat Chrysler, intends to take advantage of this to give itself a new chance in the American market. Fiat has just announced that it will bring the iconic city car 500 back to the United States, but in electric form.

The announcement is a real U-turn, as Fiat had pulled the 500 from North America in 2020, due to very disappointing sales just nine years after its return. Sergio Marchionne, the CEO of Fiat Chrysler who died in 2018, is known to have repeatedly complained that the group was losing up to $14,000 each time it sold a Fiat 500 to a North American consumer.

"We thought we were going to show up and just because of the fact people like gelato and pastas, people would buy it," he said during the Detroit auto show in 2021. "This is nonsense."

But ten years later, Stellantis seems to think there is an opportunity to launch the new generation of the Fiat 500e, the electric version of the famous city car, in North America.

Spearheading the brand's electrification strategy, the new 500e will arrive in the U.S. market in early 2024, marking a North American expansion in Fiat's global journey outside Europe, the company said in a press release during the 2023 Los Angeles auto show.

Towards a $22,000 Electric Car

Stellantis did not give further details except to say that the vehicle will arrive in showrooms in North America in 2024. But the Fiat 500e is already sold in Europe where it is one of the most popular electric vehicle models. Its price really helps to seduce consumers. It sells for around 21,000 euros ($21,500), after incentives.

It is possible that it may have an equivalent price tag, if not less, in North America, according to the words of Olivier Francois, Fiat CEO and Global Stellantis CMO.

"Today, more than ever, we are facing a global revolution, which means that customers are looking for more than just a car and we intend to embrace their changing needs," Francois said. "The new 500e is more than a car, it is a social project to feed America's appetite for change toward sustainable mobility."

The Fiat 500e which will be sold in the United States will be imported from Italy. It should offer 162 lb-ft of torque. The company hasn't provided details about the rest of the U.S. specs. They may be similar to what is offered in European markets: two battery packs and a 117 horsepower engine. Autonomy, on the other hand, is likely to differ. In Europe, the Fiat 500e can travel 199 miles on a single charge. But it's more than likely to be a lot less in the US, at 150 miles.

The main competitors of the Fiat 500e are the Chevrolet Bolt EV, sold at a base price of $25,600, and the Nissan Leaf, sold at a base price of $28,040.

The car will be revealed next year at the 2023 Los Angeles Auto Show and will be available in the first quarter of 2024.

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Re: Still ‘Aint’US: cheap battery 500e [Re: 360view] #3095735
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It'll still be an ugly chitbox Fiat. There is reason it failed before and the method of powering it wasn't the reason.

Re: Still ‘Aint’US: cheap battery 500e [Re: Sniper] #3095747
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The Fiat 500 was as retro as the Challenger. Problem with it was the original 500 wasn't part of the American lexicon so we never got on board with it in the numbers to make it a success.

Sub $30k cars will sell because they are cheap.

In some places electric may make sense to use over hydrocarbon versions, but they aren't the end all be all.

Re: Still ‘Aint’US: cheap battery 500e [Re: TC@HP2] #3095760
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let's see..........i bought my rust free 1999 caravan for $400.00 needing a transaxle..........
bought a 2001 caravan for $50.00 for the replacement transaxle..........
while it was apart, i added axles and wheel bearings, plus brakes and rotors............
it has now ran over 70k miles, including a "daisy duke" episode where my wife rode it over an 85ft cliff, in which [believe it or not eek] neither her or "the bus" sustained any damage ! plus, i drove it home after the tow truck guy cut down some trees and dug the mud out from in front of the front bumper. drove just fine !
still driving fine to this day............
naa........i think there is no 'lectric "car" in my future. unless one counts the "old guy mobility scooter" i own. biggrin
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Re: Still ‘Aint’US: cheap battery 500e [Re: 360view] #3095848
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Originally Posted by 360view
The Cheapest Electric Car Hits the US Market
You will no longer have a reason not to buy an electric vehicle.




How bout the reason I just don't want one?....I wouldn't be caught dead riding in gas powered Fiat 500, never mind an electric version!

Re: Still ‘Aint’US: cheap battery 500e [Re: Sniper] #3095880
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Originally Posted by Sniper
It'll still be an ugly chitbox Fiat. There is reason it failed before and the method of powering it wasn't the reason.

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Re: Still ‘Aint’US: cheap battery 500e [Re: Kern Dog] #3095887
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The whole thing makes no sense, there business model is not to make cars without a high profit margin or a low production number they cant make money on in selling volume so at 22k are they still making money or are most EV-s hugely overpriced?


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Re: Still ‘Aint’US: cheap battery 500e [Re: Mr PotatoHead] #3095891
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They will sell them cheap to produce their own carbon credits, its better than paying Tesla mega millions every year. Thats probably the only reason why it exists

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I remember when they had JLO hawking the 500. Didn't work, all you had was an attractive woman riding around in a (censored) box. There isn't enough lipstick on the face of the earth to make one of those (censored) boxes desirable. puke


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Re: Still ‘Aint’US: cheap battery 500e [Re: 6PakBee] #3095909
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She actually had a body like Jello....

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Re: Still ‘Aint’US: cheap battery 500e [Re: Dart 500] #3095912
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Originally Posted by Dart 500
They will sell them cheap to produce their own carbon credits, its better than paying Tesla mega millions every year. Thats probably the only reason why it exists


And the tax credits help. I think the thing to watch is where it's made. At $22k, I'm figuring 'Made in China' or partnered with China in some way to keep prices low. If FIAT uses Geely or Chery platforms, that helps the bottom line by a ton. That and I'd assume the tooling for the major body components are paid for, reducing costs at least a bit more.

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I’m betting the fiat 500 EV was one of the FIRST ev’s to win a bracket race….. 2017 @ Mats sport compact winner

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Re: Still ‘Aint’US: cheap battery 500e [Re: 360view] #3095922
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In the past I have always viewed the Fiat cars as junky vehicles. Nothing recently has changed my mind.

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"You will no longer have a reason not to buy an electric vehicle."

Well, if I do not want to buy one with my $$$$, that is reason enough for me.


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