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Re: '67 Hemi Bel II [Re: Transman] #3094111
11/14/22 11:00 AM
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I agree with transman. It was a hemi block, you would be surprised how much they can be decked and have been for racing purposes. Engine builder would deck the block and or heads and try to leave manifold alone so it could be used on other blocks. The Race manual give the spec for decking block and china wall. So while you see fraud as the only reason, I have seen plenty of block decked and machines for building purposes not fraud.

Re: '67 Hemi Bel II [Re: Transman] #3094143
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Originally Posted by Transman
Originally Posted by TJP
Originally Posted by Transman

The “pad” I believe mentioned here is the horizontal pad at the driver side front - normally carries the engine size and build date. When you deck the block enough, then most guys “correct” the front and rear manifold rails, “China wall” so the manifold will set correctly. Just my interpretation of the “pad”.


If one decks the block, it will bring the heads closer together raising the manifold in the process. To correct for this one can either machine the intake surface on the heads or manifold itself (which is why I'm leery of used intakes wink )
Surfacing the top of the block will only make matters worse. Additionally, that pad is a lot lower than the top of the block. the ONLY reason I can think of to machine it is to remove the stampings identifying it as a later built motor.
I do know of numbers matching blocks that were cast 2-3 years before use. So a 66 casting date really means nothing IMO. The pad being machined raises suspicion. Which is why I suggested he would have been better off to claim it was never stamped.
I can't say for sure but I believe even warranty blocks were stamped with assembly dates beer


You need to read some relevant service procedures concerning machining blocks. You are way off the mark.


I have always respected your opinions. So, in thinking this through I now understand that while removing material form the deck or head, it will bring the intake surfaces closer together BUT also LOWER them at the same time due to the angles involved. Enter old saying "I SEE SAiD THE BLIND MAN" shock spank
So My apologies to all and I'll take my beating with a new piece of sponge weather stripping.

However I still have trouble imagining how much material would need to be removed to require shaving the "china wall" below the stamping pad surface as that pad is quite a bit lower than the "China wall" as I recall shruggy Anyway thank you for being tolerant and pushing my old brain to think beer

Re: '67 Hemi Bel II [Re: TJP] #3094146
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Originally Posted by TJP
Originally Posted by Transman
Originally Posted by TJP
Originally Posted by Transman

The “pad” I believe mentioned here is the horizontal pad at the driver side front - normally carries the engine size and build date. When you deck the block enough, then most guys “correct” the front and rear manifold rails, “China wall” so the manifold will set correctly. Just my interpretation of the “pad”.


If one decks the block, it will bring the heads closer together raising the manifold in the process. To correct for this one can either machine the intake surface on the heads or manifold itself (which is why I'm leery of used intakes wink )
Surfacing the top of the block will only make matters worse. Additionally, that pad is a lot lower than the top of the block. the ONLY reason I can think of to machine it is to remove the stampings identifying it as a later built motor.
I do know of numbers matching blocks that were cast 2-3 years before use. So a 66 casting date really means nothing IMO. The pad being machined raises suspicion. Which is why I suggested he would have been better off to claim it was never stamped.
I can't say for sure but I believe even warranty blocks were stamped with assembly dates beer


You need to read some relevant service procedures concerning machining blocks. You are way off the mark.


I have always respected your opinions. So, in thinking this through I now understand that while removing material form the deck or head, it will bring the intake surfaces closer together BUT also LOWER them at the same time due to the angles involved. Enter old saying "I SEE SAiD THE BLIND MAN" shock spank
So My apologies to all and I'll take my beating with a new piece of sponge weather stripping.

However I still have trouble imagining how much material would need to be removed to require shaving the "china wall" below the stamping pad surface as that pad is quite a bit lower than the "China wall" as I recall shruggy Anyway thank you for being tolerant and pushing my old brain to think beer



No beating required.

We don’t know what the engine was used for in the past. In a race environment, back in the day to the present, we have taken .100” off the decks.

That is not a typo.

.100”.

In fact Direct Connection used to offer steel shims to either lower compression or to salvage
blocks that had been whacked that much.
And check again, you will notice the top of the pad is in the same plane as the China wall.

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Re: '67 Hemi Bel II [Re: TJP] #3094189
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Originally Posted by TJP

Surfacing the top of the block will only make matters worse. Additionally, that pad is a lot lower than the top of the block. the ONLY reason I can think of to machine it is to remove the stampings identifying it as a later built motor.
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THP, How many RB molars blocks have you looked at? The top of the block is the pad and the intake gasket rails, all gets machined at the same time, same surface. Can be seen better in the above photo. No bearings required, check the photos.

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Re: '67 Hemi Bel II [Re: NANKET] #3094238
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Sorry guys, guess I need more RAM or to reload my operating system shruggy Been a long, bumpy couple of years which has been a bit stressful frown But things are way better than they were smile My apologies to all. beer

I am not a gambler, but I for some reason would have bet that the pad was substantially lower tsk

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Re: '67 Hemi Bel II [Re: lilcuda] #3095241
11/18/22 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by lilcuda
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The '67 Belvedere II could come with the sill trim like a GTX or the side trim like Rhino's photo.


Mine has both.



Wow!!! Now that is something new. Just a curiosity question, the color around the headlight doors, is it white or black on your car?

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Re: '67 Hemi Bel II [Re: 6PakBee] #3095496
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Originally Posted by 6PakBee
Originally Posted by lilcuda
Originally Posted by 6PakBee
The '67 Belvedere II could come with the sill trim like a GTX or the side trim like Rhino's photo.


Mine has both.



Wow!!! Now that is something new. Just a curiosity question, the color around the headlight doors, is it white or black on your car?



Black.

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Re: '67 Hemi Bel II [Re: lilcuda] #3097206
11/26/22 09:33 AM
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Thanks for the reply. up My Belvedere in the photo has the black accents also. But I have another '67 Belvedere II that has white accents for the headlight doors. Only one I've ever seen. BTW, I finally found the document for the Silver Special option.

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Re: '67 Hemi Bel II [Re: lilcuda] #3098239
11/29/22 10:38 PM
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Are the headlight bezels original?

Looks like they are.

Re: '67 Hemi Bel II [Re: Tempest] #3098561
11/30/22 11:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Tempest
Are the headlight bezels original?

Looks like they are.



Are you asking about mine? If so, I’m pretty sure they are original to the car. It only has 33k miles on it and spent quite a bit of time in storage when it was owned by the original family.


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