Re: B17 crash with video
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11/12/22 05:31 PM
11/12/22 05:31 PM
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That's two B17's destroyed in 3 years. The Collings foundations "909" Crashed in 2019 due to lack of maintenance on the magnetoes. I rode on the 909 a year prior to its crash, so that was a little scary when it went down.
NBC adds music the the crash video? What's wrong with those idiots?
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Re: B17 crash with video
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11/12/22 05:40 PM
11/12/22 05:40 PM
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A12
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Man, I hate stuff like that. The report I saw said the B17 was in the P39's blind spot. Looked like he didn't know the B17 was nearby and basically flew into it. I don't see how the P63 didn't see the B17?? I think the P63 may or may not have seen the B17 but went across the back of it and just above it and got caught in "prop wash", lost lift and went right on top of the B17. Sad, sad, very sad for all of those on board. Godspeed all. When you see it from another angle it looks like a direct cross of flight paths and not the B17's error. IMO
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Re: B17 crash with video
[Re: A12]
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11/12/22 08:08 PM
11/12/22 08:08 PM
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Man, I hate stuff like that. The report I saw said the B17 was in the P39's blind spot. Looked like he didn't know the B17 was nearby and basically flew into it. I don't see how the P63 didn't see the B17?? I think the P63 may or may not have seen the B17 but went across the back of it and just above it and got caught in "prop wash", lost lift and went right on top of the B17. Sad, sad, very sad for all of those on board. Godspeed all. When you see it from another angle it looks like a direct cross of flight paths and not the B17's error. IMO low wing airplane P63 with b17 where pilot has no visual? Banking left, big blind spot
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Re: B17 crash with video
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11/12/22 09:36 PM
11/12/22 09:36 PM
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A12
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Man, I hate stuff like that. The report I saw said the B17 was in the P39's blind spot. Looked like he didn't know the B17 was nearby and basically flew into it. I don't see how the P63 didn't see the B17?? I think the P63 may or may not have seen the B17 but went across the back of it and just above it and got caught in "prop wash", lost lift and went right on top of the B17. Sad, sad, very sad for all of those on board. Godspeed all. When you see it from another angle it looks like a direct cross of flight paths and not the B17's error. IMO low wing airplane P63 with b17 where pilot has no visual? Banking left, big blind spot Yes I see that now. 
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Re: B17 crash with video
[Re: A12]
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11/13/22 01:45 AM
11/13/22 01:45 AM
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Cab_Burge
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Prop wash from a bigger airplane causes turbulence behind it and a little to the sides of them and may lead to loss of the control by the trailing aircraft. The wingtip vortices turn into circular air forming the vortices, NOT GOOD  The P63 looks like it was flying a lot faster than the B17 when it hit the B17 so maybe he did lose control  I knew medical Dr who lost his life due to getting in too close while landing behind a medium size passenger commuter jet landing at Ontario, CA years ago in his small single engine Bonanza. The standing rule is two minutes between aircraft landing on the same runway, any closer can cause turbulence and problems on maintaining control of the smaller aircraft. Larger airplanes have to follow the same rules also. I have experience it when following a friend of mine in a King Air SP350 in my much smaller Piper Comanche single engine landing in San Fernando Valley at Van Nuys airport, I let my plane get lower than him and got into his turbulence when crossing behind him to get line up with the runway, I climb up to be above him and made sure I landed further down the runway than him to avoid more turbulence  , Once learn you make sure it doesn't happen again, I had been taught about wake turbulence and following distances but didn't do it correctly, he was landing from the west landing to the south and I had approach the airport from the east and was landing on the same runway less than 2 minutes behind him  I got lucky, thanks be to God 
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Re: B17 crash with video
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11/13/22 01:56 AM
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Or another possibility is the fighter pilot had a medical event and passed out. I’m sure through the investigation they’ll find out what happened. Our B17 here in Mesa flys over my house all the time.
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Re: B17 crash with video
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11/13/22 09:50 AM
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NBC adds music the the crash video? What's wrong with those idiots? If it’s the same footage that I saw last night, they are probably trying to hide the voice of the kid who is asking if it was part of the show.
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Re: B17 crash with video
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11/13/22 08:44 PM
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Terrible incident - sickening to watch. Condolences to all the family members.
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Re: B17 crash with video
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11/13/22 09:08 PM
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Re: B17 crash with video
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11/14/22 09:58 AM
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The CAF here in Mesa had a memorial. Lots of vintage WWII aircraft flying all day. They did the missing man formation yesterday morning.
“So if it’s on the internet it must be true”
Abe Lincoln
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