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One Door Closes, another opens... #3090672
10/31/22 11:03 AM
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Well, friends, after almost 9 years of service, my employer terminated me on 9/13/22. I had started on 12/06/2013 and worked hard for many years to get where I was, building up a book of business as an insurance agent in a startup agency.
After regularly outselling each and every other member of the constantly changing team, and working on my own (the rest of the team was always in Nebraska, Blair or Omaha and I've always worked in Sioux City, IA), they decided to let me go even though I was the hardest worker and best selling agent.
The guy that made the decision to terminate me now benefits from my renewal commissions as he's taking over all of my accounts (I had outsold him 3 to 1), so his book just grew by 4 times.

Ugh. Very disappointing and for a couple of weeks, terrifying. I started to apply elsewhere and quickly found a great position with another local agency, although this one is MUCH bigger and better in many, many ways.
Still working in insurance, still an independent sales agent, was only out of work for about 4 weeks, so thankfully I found something quickly and didn't loose too much income.
Now, I'll have to rebuild my book of business, but my experience granted me a guaranteed salary at the new job (I was straight commission at the old job).

That's what's new, thanks for letting me vent and Happy Halloween, everyone!

JS


76 Dodge Adventurer Sport Power Wagon W100 318, 727, NP203 Fulltime 4x4 Russet Red
06 Jeep Commander Ltd 4x4, 5.7L Hemi, QuadraDrive II
06 Chrysler 300C AWD 5.7L Hemi
10 Mopar 10 Challenger R/T, #483/500, 5.7L HEMI
11 Dodge Ram 1500 LoneStar Quad Cab, 5.7L HEMI, Fulltime 4x4, Deep Cherry Red
16 Jeep Cherokee Limited 3.2L Pentastar V6, 9 Speed Torqueflite, 4x4, Black

Re: One Door Closes, another opens... [Re: AdventurerSport] #3090686
10/31/22 11:47 AM
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Sorry to hear about the stress.

I always work to my best ability and have regularly been rewarded with phrases like.
"We can't promote you because we can't get anyone who can do the work you do. We are giving Billy that promotion".

Side Note: Billy was later sent to a different location to be fired to prevent the local crew from knowing they screwed up. I worked a few more months and moved on.

I learned from experience that business will continue on when I quit and I will continue on if they let me go.

I still do my best work no matter what, but I know that at the end of the day the only thing I should expect from a company is a paycheck no matter how hard I work.

Hopefully you kept a list of clients you can call on. up

Re: One Door Closes, another opens... [Re: AdventurerSport] #3090689
10/31/22 11:57 AM
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Sorry to hear that. Was it the owner of the agency that terminated you?


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Re: One Door Closes, another opens... [Re: not_a_charger] #3090729
10/31/22 01:36 PM
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Thanks

No, not the owner, another employee (and another selling agent that was also named the "director" although he never "directed" anything).
That employee now took my book of business, so his income went WAY up.

That said, I'm on a "one year" non compete agreement. In the meantime, if anyone calls or contacts me, I can tell them where I'm working now and they can come with me. I've moved two already (only a few thousand to go). Many I'll move after 1 year is up, but the folks that keep calling? I'm moving them one by one

JS


76 Dodge Adventurer Sport Power Wagon W100 318, 727, NP203 Fulltime 4x4 Russet Red
06 Jeep Commander Ltd 4x4, 5.7L Hemi, QuadraDrive II
06 Chrysler 300C AWD 5.7L Hemi
10 Mopar 10 Challenger R/T, #483/500, 5.7L HEMI
11 Dodge Ram 1500 LoneStar Quad Cab, 5.7L HEMI, Fulltime 4x4, Deep Cherry Red
16 Jeep Cherokee Limited 3.2L Pentastar V6, 9 Speed Torqueflite, 4x4, Black

Re: One Door Closes, another opens... [Re: AdventurerSport] #3090772
10/31/22 03:35 PM
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So glad I moved on from the insurance industry.

I have a pocket full of horror stories about different agencies/companies and how they treat people. When big commissions are involved all kinds of sliminess happens!

Good luck!


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Re: One Door Closes, another opens... [Re: AdventurerSport] #3090788
10/31/22 04:54 PM
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Hopefully you kept your customers contact information so they can use you still for their coverage, correct? devil up scope twocents
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Re: One Door Closes, another opens... [Re: Cab_Burge] #3090807
10/31/22 06:25 PM
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MOST non compete agreements can not be easily enforced.


Karma has no menu. You get served what you deserve.
Re: One Door Closes, another opens... [Re: IMGTX] #3090858
10/31/22 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by IMGTX
Hopefully you kept a list of clients you can call on. up


I was with the same agent and company for 25 years. After 4 "replacement agents" i went to an independent and saved substantially. I am not overly enthused with the independent and will be looking for his replacement next year when all 4 or 5 policies are up for renewal. Do keep in touch with your clients as they may not like the NEW services twocents
Are you able to do nebraska?

Re: One Door Closes, another opens... [Re: AdventurerSport] #3090879
11/01/22 06:07 AM
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How did another employee fire you and take your book of business?


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Re: One Door Closes, another opens... [Re: TJP] #3090880
11/01/22 06:09 AM
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If they terminated you without compensation to cover the non-compete - its nothing more than a piece of paper

Re: One Door Closes, another opens... [Re: TJP] #3090917
11/01/22 09:40 AM
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Yes, I'm licensed in Iowa, Nebraska, South Dakota and Minnesota
and, yes, as my new agency has informed me, most non competes aren't worth the paper that they are written on (you can't hold clients captive, in other words, it just stops me from sending out mass emails to former clients to let them know where I've gone).
I can post my new job on Social Media, though, and let the chips fall where they may...:)

(I can't stop people from calling me!) smile

JS

Thanks, everyone!


76 Dodge Adventurer Sport Power Wagon W100 318, 727, NP203 Fulltime 4x4 Russet Red
06 Jeep Commander Ltd 4x4, 5.7L Hemi, QuadraDrive II
06 Chrysler 300C AWD 5.7L Hemi
10 Mopar 10 Challenger R/T, #483/500, 5.7L HEMI
11 Dodge Ram 1500 LoneStar Quad Cab, 5.7L HEMI, Fulltime 4x4, Deep Cherry Red
16 Jeep Cherokee Limited 3.2L Pentastar V6, 9 Speed Torqueflite, 4x4, Black

Re: One Door Closes, another opens... [Re: not_a_charger] #3090918
11/01/22 09:42 AM
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How did another employee fire me and take my Book of Business? He's a friend of the owner, that's how. He's made more mistakes than I can count, but nothing ever happens to him, but bonuses and promotions.

I'd write $50K to $60K in new business in one month, and he'd write $20K and get praised publicly. ??

JS


76 Dodge Adventurer Sport Power Wagon W100 318, 727, NP203 Fulltime 4x4 Russet Red
06 Jeep Commander Ltd 4x4, 5.7L Hemi, QuadraDrive II
06 Chrysler 300C AWD 5.7L Hemi
10 Mopar 10 Challenger R/T, #483/500, 5.7L HEMI
11 Dodge Ram 1500 LoneStar Quad Cab, 5.7L HEMI, Fulltime 4x4, Deep Cherry Red
16 Jeep Cherokee Limited 3.2L Pentastar V6, 9 Speed Torqueflite, 4x4, Black

Re: One Door Closes, another opens... [Re: AdventurerSport] #3090989
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Re: One Door Closes, another opens... [Re: AdventurerSport] #3091043
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Originally Posted by AdventurerSport
Yes, I'm licensed in Iowa, Nebraska, South Dakota and Minnesota
and, yes, as my new agency has informed me, most non competes aren't worth the paper that they are written on (you can't hold clients captive, in other words, it just stops me from sending out mass emails to former clients to let them know where I've gone).
I can post my new job on Social Media, though, and let the chips fall where they may...:)

(I can't stop people from calling me!) smile

JS

Thanks, everyone!

PM me your contact info so I can find you at renewal time wink

Re: One Door Closes, another opens... [Re: TJP] #3091056
11/02/22 12:46 AM
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Re: One Door Closes, another opens... [Re: TJP] #3091130
11/02/22 11:10 AM
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PM sent, thank you!

JS


76 Dodge Adventurer Sport Power Wagon W100 318, 727, NP203 Fulltime 4x4 Russet Red
06 Jeep Commander Ltd 4x4, 5.7L Hemi, QuadraDrive II
06 Chrysler 300C AWD 5.7L Hemi
10 Mopar 10 Challenger R/T, #483/500, 5.7L HEMI
11 Dodge Ram 1500 LoneStar Quad Cab, 5.7L HEMI, Fulltime 4x4, Deep Cherry Red
16 Jeep Cherokee Limited 3.2L Pentastar V6, 9 Speed Torqueflite, 4x4, Black

Re: One Door Closes, another opens... [Re: AdventurerSport] #3091205
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Too bad it's quite often the harder workers that get the shaft.

Re: One Door Closes, another opens... [Re: 5thAve] #3091213
11/02/22 04:13 PM
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Sorry to hear this but glad you found what sounds like a better place to work. Best of luck to you. up


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Re: One Door Closes, another opens... [Re: I_bleed_MOPAR] #3091325
11/03/22 06:38 AM
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I'd have my attorney take a look at that non compete and the termination itself. As has been pointed most non competes are difficult to enforce and if there is no consideration given I suspect it's not worth the paper it's written on. If the lawyer agrees with that I'd go full tilt to reduce the [censored]'s book by whatever means necessary.

Kevin

Re: One Door Closes, another opens... [Re: Twostick] #3091326
11/03/22 06:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Twostick
I'd have my attorney take a look at that non compete and the termination itself. As has been pointed most non competes are difficult to enforce and if there is no consideration given I suspect it's not worth the paper it's written on. If the lawyer agrees with that I'd go full tilt to reduce the [censored]'s book by whatever means necessary.

Kevin


An implement of feminine hygiene is censored? Lol

Kevin

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