Before all the people come on here saying ‘ Reeeeee, that’s illegal!’, no it is not. I have talk to several state and federal agencies and pre-1981 vehicles have a much more lax laws than what people are led to believe.

Now that I got that out of the way, just looking for a service that makes a legitimate replacement vin tag for a 1970 model car. There was one I knew of, but the guy I believe passed away and business closed down. Now I’m currently in the process of having the car verified by a state agency and getting ‘blue tagged’ but would like to also have the stock appearing dash when people looking the race car to see the vin tag as a real performance car. So if someone has a good recommendation for a company that makes them, please post
It or pm me.

Thanks everyone.

MMC Detroit

No key words are intention, deceive, defraud. You know how when someone comes on here asking something like "what color should I paint MY car?" and after the "anything but GREEN" comments and then finally someone or ten people respond "IT'S YOUR CAR DO WHAT YOU WANT", wouldn't that apply? Let's say I have a lowly 4-door, slant 6 in terrible shape and the original VIN tag was damaged and I MADE a VIN tag and hand stamped my legitimate original VIN on a plate would I be in trouble. The feds and local LEO's could run the numbers, check all of the hidden numbers, check the /6 engine and transmission numbers and EVERYTHING matches the home made VIN PLATE I made to a "T" and see that it is not a stolen vehicle, and that I have ownership documentation and again it's NOT STOLEN, and I'm NOT trying to deceive anyone or trying to defraud anyone so what would the verdict be and what would I be guilty of??? IMO it's only a crime if it is a crime to deceive or defraud or steal. MY CAR and all of this was put in place by the FMVSS including moving the hidden VIN plates from the door jams to the dash/windshield because the Feds felt they had enough data to show a STOLEN vehicle was more likely to be driven dangerously or unsafely and yes that's a fact you can check this in the VIN regulations.


FMVSS: Federal motor vehicle safety standard (FMVSS) No. 115

One of the original purposes of the VIN system was to enhance public safety by deterring
vehicle theft based on the assumption that drivers of stolen vehicles are more likely to operate
those vehicles unsafely and thus be involved in vehicle crashes. The current 17-character VIN
system embodied in Part 565 continues to serve this purpose and, as stated in Part 565, also
serves “to increase the accuracy and efficiency of vehicle recall campaigns.”

A. History and Overview of the VIN System
Since 1954, American automobile manufacturers have used a vehicle identification
number (VIN) to describe and identify each of the motor vehicles they manufacture. The early
VINs came in a wide array of configurations and variations, depending on the individual
manufacturer. A move to create a more systematic VIN scheme was made in 1968, with the
enactment of Federal motor vehicle safety standard (FMVSS) No. 115, which took effect
January 1, 1969. That standard required each passenger car to have a VIN that is permanently
“sunk or embossed” on a part of the vehicle visible through the glazing by a person standing at
the left windshield pillar. Manufacturers were required to avoid having a VIN be repeated within
a 10-year period.

Where is the original vin tag? Are you wanting the same exact info on a new one?

Try this one. Appears to be based in Europe.

VIN tag

Before all the people come on here saying ‘ Reeeeee, that’s illegal!’, no it is not. I have talk to several state and federal agencies and pre-1981 vehicles have a much more lax laws than what people are led to believe.

Now that I got that out of the way, just looking for a service that makes a legitimate replacement vin tag for a 1970 model car. There was one I knew of, but the guy I believe passed away and business closed down. Now I’m currently in the process of having the car verified by a state agency and getting ‘blue tagged’ but would like to also have the stock appearing dash when people looking the race car to see the vin tag as a real performance car. So if someone has a good recommendation for a company that makes them, please post
It or pm me.
Thanks everyone.

thank you for posting that. Though it does not look like a factory appearing original, it would be something suitable for a hotrod/stock-ish replacement.

so I understand this right.
You have a body, no vin, no data tag, no broadcast sheet to prove the number / vin you make is correct other than the last 8 stamped in the core support

IMO< have a state assigned vin put on it and call it a day

I just got an email from ESC stating they now offer licensed FCA dash vins.

so I understand this right.
You have a body, no vin, no data tag, no broadcast sheet to prove the number / vin you make is correct other than the last 8 stamped in the core support

IMO< have a state assigned vin put on it and call it a day

While your post shows VIN tag, the website does not. It shows Labels only.

Where did you find that screen shot - I use the same address and get something else.

MMC Detroit

There is a company out there that remakes Vin tags. I used to have all the information stored in my hard drive that i cannot get it working. Barry Washington As much I love his hard work on keeping everything legit but on this there is alternatives to get one made. The company is licensed through federal law. I remember talking to them and I believe there is another one other place out there. If I come across it I will reach out. There is a process that you have to go through to get it done.

Going to order a set from a source and see how they compare to original. Also looking to get the correct vin tag rivers if anybody has some info.

i have a LOT of sets of the correct brown rivets. how many do you need?

I believe ECS Automotive concepts sells the rivets.

now familiar with the 'brown' rivets. What is the difference from other vin rivets?

Good news (at least for me) just out that the askis star on vin tags was not on all models automatically in 1971. As late as possible febuary, the ‘*’ could not be on the vin tag. Mine will not come with it for being an early year. I am still looking to have to tool made in case of fiture use though.

UPDATE: I am in contact with a company that is looking to reproduce the mopar vin tags from 1968 to 1980's models and doing it legally. need to get a bunch of vin tag samples sent to them so they can refine the tooling. Cost should be affordable to the buyer as well. Will keep you all in the loop as I get more info over the next few weeks/months.

Questions;

Name of the company? Good question.

Name of the Federal agency they are dealing with? Another good question.

Does Chrysler know some outfit is planning to do this? This should not concern Chrysler.

Is Chrysler Corporation granting this outfit a license? For what? A license to stamp numbers in a piece of metal?

If so, who is the contact person at Chrysler Corporation? Not relevant IMHO.

Questions;

Name of the company? It is a US based company and has been doing data tags for awhile. When they have a finished product I will post their info here.

Name of the Federal agency they are dealing with? Not my company, so I don't know.

Does Chrysler know some outfit is planning to do this? Chrysler has no representation on this.

Is Chrysler Corporation granting this outfit a license? Chrysler has no legal jurisdiction on this product.

If so, who is the contact person at Chrysler Corporation?

Can you get a reproduction dash VIN tag made LEGALLY for any other manufacture ??? If not then one would have to question this? Another question Why if this is a potential legal business venture does this person need you to send them samples of VIN tags to "refine" the tooling?? And as noted Where is this legal? I'm sure it's legal in some Pacific Rim countries and other places NOT IN THE USA. Hey can you have them make up some counterfeit US money plates while they're at it for me I'm sure that's legal wherever that is too.

Not sure what the legal aspect of it is as it's NOT my company. I am addressing the originality in appearance of the stamping to meet with restoration needs, that is all. I will probably offer them advice on certain things as in making the tags out of aluminum instead of stainless steel, not applying any corporation identification to the tags and suggest they may not even paint them. This way they are not liable for licensing fees with Chrysler. All this is for is an original looking tag. Anything else is of no concern to me as it is not my product, not my company and I am not being compensated for anything.

Just my thoughts here and no comments other wise but if it’s made out of aluminum with no paint, it would be easy to spot. If it’s easy to spot by any law offecer as a manipulated vin tag, the entire car could be confiscated. Just saying.

Agreed,....and if its the Canadian individual that I think it is......not a thing anyone can do about it, basically boils down to a MYOB for those that get their panties in a bunch over a piece of stamped tin....

Still waiting on some doner vin tags to send in for comparison for tooling. The guy doing it wants to make them correct and I don't believe you need paperwork or broadcast sheet copy to make a vin tag, so it would be an easy restoration process for those without anything. Win/Win for everyone.

Donor VIN tags?

Mere possession of a loose VIN tag is a Felony inside the USA.

California (that is where you are?) also has state laws against it.

If you send 'donor' VIN tags across state lines & across a border into another country, the felonies just add up to help prosecute you.

You want to 'help' a counterfeiter? At that point you become an accomplice to his crimes.

I do not know you personally, so I'll ask - are you so ignorant of the VIN laws that apply in this scenario that you are actually stupid?

You seem to be trying very hard to establish a criminal record, so I had to ask.

Donor VIN tags?

Mere possession of a loose VIN tag is a Felony inside the USA.

California (that is where you are?) also has state laws against it.

If you send 'donor' VIN tags across state lines & across a border into another country, the felonies just add up to help prosecute you.

You want to 'help' a counterfeiter? At that point you become an accomplice to his crimes.

I do not know you personally, so I'll ask - are you so ignorant of the VIN laws that apply in this scenario that you are actually stupid?

You seem to be trying very hard to establish a criminal record, so I had to ask.

Fender tag isn’t a vin tag, not even same discussion.

You’ll need a license from Chrysler to repop their trademark on a part. Good luck with that on this.


Here’s what is the deal. Guy A will make them without a trademark. Guy B will add the logo and both will claim they didn’t know this was wrong or what the other guy was intending to do with it when the vin is illegally swapped onto a donor chassis. Guy B will say it was sold to me, so it must’ve been legal, don’t look at me.

That violates federal law that has been posted on this forum before, to which said counterfeiters didn’t like so they continue to bend this around to make themselves feel better about contributing to more faked cars. Just like cheating on your taxes, it’s not illegal until you get caught. Any sort of authority figure can be snowed by saying something along the lines of “I’m just restoring my car,” when that’s not really the game here. Leaving out the part about “restoring by changing the car that is under the vin tag” doesn’t mean you just got told what you wanted to hear.

I find it weird that everybody that says it was illegal have never posted a source or link to why said tags are illegal. On the other hand, I have talked with multiple law enforcement members, lawyer and a government representative and all have said the opposite. So who am I to believe, the people that make and enforce the laws or the people just randomly posting on a forum? All I’m trying to do is find a proper restoration part for a project. People thinking everything illegal because they heard a store about someone who bought a car at one point is going on absurd. Fine, you guys win. I give up. I’m telling (redacted) they can’t get a proper restoration replacement tag made. I can’t find vin tag samples to use anyway and I just don’t want to be involved in this any longer as I’m not getting payed for my work. I just wanted to contribute something to the hobby for people who wanted a nice touch to their cars. I’m out. F all this noise. Sorry for those that wanted something nice, but these guys say you can’t have it. Remember who ruined it for you.

The whole vin tag thing is a grey area. The law talks about being illegal to remove it but what about cases like this when it's attached to a dash that's being restored or replaced, or the vehicles where it's attached to the drivers door and the door needs to be replaced. Doing a quick search online it seems like for newer cars car manufacturers provide a service that you can get a replacement vin tag from them, some of the forms to request it are even on the nhtsa website.

One thing that comes to play is with a replacement there's always going to be people out there to criticize it and rightly so. If you're looking at buying a car and one has a vin that's never been touched and another one has been replaced or looks questionable you know what car has a higher chance of getting picked.

I also ran across this website which has vin tags and the various other labels. Which might be a handy source for restoration purposes.

https://www.alumaphoto-plateco.com/products/vin-tag-replacement/vin-tags.html

The whole vin tag thing is a grey area. The law talks about being illegal to remove it but what about cases like this when it's attached to a dash that's being restored or replaced, or the vehicles where it's attached to the drivers door and the door needs to be replaced