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Re: '4 door Barracuda' goes to auction [Re: Guitar Jones] #3088605
10/23/22 05:31 PM
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If I had the money, I'd buy it and turn it into a 2 door.

Re: '4 door Barracuda' goes to auction [Re: 1fastrunner] #3088613
10/23/22 06:25 PM
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is this the worlds most expensive parts car?

Re: '4 door Barracuda' goes to auction [Re: 1fastrunner] #3088749
10/24/22 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by 1fastrunner
If I had the money, I'd buy it and turn it into a 2 door.


I’d part it out...😀


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Re: '4 door Barracuda' goes to auction [Re: chrisf] #3088750
10/24/22 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by chrisf
is this the worlds most expensive parts car?


Yes


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Re: '4 door Barracuda' goes to auction [Re: Mr PotatoHead] #3088785
10/24/22 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr PotatoHead
whistling


I just threw up in my mouth a little ...

Sadly they dropped the ball when it came to the roof line, the rendering that gave him the idea looks more like a car Chrysler would of built.

I guess this makes me a hater


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Re: '4 door Barracuda' goes to auction [Re: DaveRS23] #3088874
10/24/22 03:29 PM
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Worse than the roof is the imaginary VIN & all the fake documentation made for the car. rolleyes

Re: '4 door Barracuda' goes to auction [Re: Alaskan_TA] #3088934
10/24/22 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Alaskan_TA
Worse than the roof is the imaginary VIN & all the fake documentation made for the car. rolleyes





FALSE.
To some "elite snob", this may be a popular opinion.
It was a fantasy so why not go full tilt with that theme? It was HIS vision, his FANTASY and whatever story he tied to it for the sake of supporting the fantasy , it wasn't meant to be accepted as an original.

Re: '4 door Barracuda' goes to auction [Re: Kern Dog] #3088940
10/24/22 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Kern Dog
Originally Posted by Alaskan_TA
Worse than the roof is the imaginary VIN & all the fake documentation made for the car. rolleyes





FALSE.
To some "elite snob", this may be a popular opinion.
It was a fantasy so why not go full tilt with that theme? It was HIS vision, his FANTASY and whatever story he tied to it for the sake of supporting the fantasy , it wasn't meant to be accepted as an original.


If somebody asked me that between Barry and Dave Walden which one was the “elite snob” the answer would be obvious. And both of those individuals have done more for the Mopar hobby than you or I will ever do.

Re: '4 door Barracuda' goes to auction [Re: Remy-Z] #3088944
10/24/22 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Remy-Z
Talked with Mr. Walden during and just after the car's build. To say that he was committed to bringing this one to life was an understatement. "Hell-bent" is more like it. I didn't feel like I was talking with a gearhead, more like an artist. I agree, visually the car is off to me. But you have to admit that he went full-kill in bringing the car to life.


WHY? shruggy

Re: '4 door Barracuda' goes to auction [Re: Kern Dog] #3088945
10/24/22 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Kern Dog
Originally Posted by Alaskan_TA
Worse than the roof is the imaginary VIN & all the fake documentation made for the car. rolleyes





FALSE.
To some "elite snob", this may be a popular opinion.
It was a fantasy so why not go full tilt with that theme? It was HIS vision, his FANTASY and whatever story he tied to it for the sake of supporting the fantasy , it wasn't meant to be accepted as an original.




OH! So I guess by owning 3 original 1970 4-doors, A, B & C bodies that all have real documentation somehow makes me an 'elite snob'? shruggy


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Re: '4 door Barracuda' goes to auction [Re: A12] #3088947
10/24/22 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by A12
Originally Posted by Remy-Z
Talked with Mr. Walden during and just after the car's build. To say that he was committed to bringing this one to life was an understatement. "Hell-bent" is more like it. I didn't feel like I was talking with a gearhead, more like an artist. I agree, visually the car is off to me. But you have to admit that he went full-kill in bringing the car to life.


WHY? shruggy


Please keep in mind that he had brain cancer? It affected him.

Re: '4 door Barracuda' goes to auction [Re: Alaskan_TA] #3088977
10/24/22 11:48 PM
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Regardless of the build, I don't see any benefit in the thread degenerating into name-calling.

I can understand Barry's point of view as far as #s and documentation, as that's his focus in building his site, which is as solid a reference and authority as there is.
I can understand Dave's desire to do a "what if" car after clearly building a few of the most accurate restorations extant.
I don't think anyone believes the 4-door Barracuda is a "real" car, in the sense that Chrysler built it, and to me the "documentation" is fanciful and obviously builder-created.
Heck, everything about the car is well-documented as a flight of fancy. Walden's business was all about dead-accurate details, so I doubt he had any intention of creating a fraud.

Re: '4 door Barracuda' goes to auction [Re: topside] #3089126
10/25/22 02:22 PM
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while I agree there are things about the overall look of the car that does not fit. I as someone who handles body and paint daily I have the most respect for the build as a whole. The skills to bring it to life be it correct looking or not are mad skills. To build it and have it look like it should have rolled off the transport in 1970 is impressive. Having watched his other builds and seeing what he brought to the hobby was second to none. He had a passion for making things as correct as he could possibily do. If they failed he set out to correct that failure. With this car I can only imagine had he not passed away that HE would have tried to out do this car or even maybe correct the issues that people pointed out. May he rest in peace.
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Re: '4 door Barracuda' goes to auction [Re: hotairballoonpilot] #3089147
10/25/22 04:20 PM
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I do agree that the workmanship is superb, second to none. I was truly a vison of Daves.

What roof did he use and why? The drip rail moldings are so much higher than the windshield moldings, and the side windows are way to big
Its not proportioned correctly.

I hope it goes to a good home. I'm guessing it will fetch 100k

Re: '4 door Barracuda' goes to auction [Re: Dave S] #3089171
10/25/22 07:05 PM
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What roof did he use and why? The drip rail moldings are so much higher than the windshield moldings, and the side windows are way to big
Its not proportioned correctly.


Dart500 mentioned it in this very same post earlier......

They didnt turn a barracuda into a 4dr, they used a 4dr 72 coronet and grafted cuda front and rear onto it. Thats why it doesnt look right


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Re: '4 door Barracuda' goes to auction [Re: SattyNoCar] #3089185
10/25/22 08:06 PM
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Dave took a lot of heat for the roofline. In multiple instances, he defended his decision based on the belief that rear seat passengers shouldn't have to stoop down to safely get into the back seat.
In his defense, most classic cars that had a 2 door and 4 door model DID use a taller roof or at least utilized the common post sedan roofline which was taller than the 2 door coupe models.
Still, he did take it too far. The roofline on the car does remind me of a hearse. I'm sure he had some occasional thoughts about which way he should have gone.

I think that even if he did come around and agree that the roof looked odd, he wouldn't have been able to admit that it was a design flaw. He was in too deep and his pride was in the way.
I PM'd the guy a few times and did appreciate the skills he had. Guys like him do push the limits in many ways. People like that will inspire some and annoy others. The world was a better place with him around though.

Re: '4 door Barracuda' goes to auction [Re: Kern Dog] #3089201
10/25/22 09:04 PM
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Loving moparts nowadays. Guys, this car is grotesque. Regardless of time and money put into it. But thats my opinion and to each his own. Let this mans soul rest in peace, and move on shall we?

Re: '4 door Barracuda' goes to auction [Re: moparjim79] #3089232
10/26/22 12:57 AM
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If you don't care for this discussion, move on. If others want to discuss it, who are you to steer the narrative?

Re: '4 door Barracuda' goes to auction [Re: Kern Dog] #3089259
10/26/22 04:48 AM
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Personally, I don’t believe there was ever any proposal to build a 4-door E-body. If you look at John Herlitz’s clay models during 1967 & 1968, he was designing a 2-door from the start. By December of 1967, the clay model was close to the final design: https://www.johnherlitz.org/e-body_barracuda.html


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Re: '4 door Barracuda' goes to auction [Re: 1972CudaV21] #3089261
10/26/22 05:19 AM
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JMHO, a 4 door, especially a sedan (door posts) pony car would have been a HUGE sales flop and hurt the two door sales. At that time sporty & performance were not synchronous with 4 doors.


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