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Re: 1966 Belvedere I HEMI`s: let`s track them down by VIN#! [Re: slantzilla] #3086467
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original drivetrain, trans, rear
car never exdited 200 original miles.
hard to believe.
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Re: 1966 Belvedere I HEMI`s: let`s track them down by VIN#! [Re: sixpacksteve] #3086477
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even ran the car when i restored it.
13.54 et. stock exhaust
slicks for traction.

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Re: 1966 Belvedere I HEMI`s: let`s track them down by VIN#! [Re: mattsmopars] #3086492
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Originally Posted by mattsmopars
17. RL21H67269624 red on red column automatic
All this information again is with the help of my friend Joe Sica who put the time in at ever show to document the cars.
Matt


From my friend Joe Sica. High performance mopar November 1996.
Matt

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Re: 1966 Belvedere I HEMI`s: let`s track them down by VIN#! [Re: sixpacksteve] #3086546
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Originally Posted by sixpacksteve
even ran the car when i restored it.
13.54 et. stock exhaust
slicks for traction.


Thanks, sixpacksteve, for joining in! Did my PM reach you?

If all your 2 posts show the same car, it is the former “CANDY MAN”car (#33 on my list), correct?

Last edited by TobiasM; 10/16/22 03:34 PM. Reason: name correcte, “a” was too close to the “s”

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Re: 1966 Belvedere I HEMI`s: let`s track them down by VIN#! [Re: TobiasM] #3086555
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Oh, no, I have to correct myself:

should not be the “CANDY MAN”-car (#33 on my list), but the “FEVER”-car (#33 on ym list)!

That’s right?

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Re: 1966 Belvedere I HEMI`s: let`s track them down by VIN#! [Re: TobiasM] #3086561
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No , its fever, old pics were from dover drag strip.
new were from lebanon valley drag strip.

Dover reunion


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Re: 1966 Belvedere I HEMI`s: let`s track them down by VIN#! [Re: sixpacksteve] #3086875
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Originally Posted by sixpacksteve
No , its fever, old pics were from dover drag strip.
new were from lebanon valley drag strip.

Dover reunion


Thanks for confirming it’s “FEVER”.


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Re: 1966 Belvedere I HEMI`s: let`s track them down by VIN#! [Re: TobiasM] #3087216
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i have some good news to report !
at the beginning of this thread, i mentioned a local dirt track racer converting one of these cars to dirt track use, and was testing on the highway in front of his house, causing an accident with a fatality.
after some investigating, an interesting tale emerged.
the first thing i did was contact the local newspaper to see about their history of saving news from years gone by. it seems they have lost the years from sometime in the mid to late 50's through 1972 or so, so that was a dead end.
next, i tried the local library. same thing......... they have what the newspaper can provide, so if certain years are missing from the newspaper office records, they can't be provided to the library.
then, i contacted the history center. this entity has just begun to really get serious about compiling local history, they have some great people on the staff now, and are renovating an historic building that is way larger than their current location. this will allow them more room for the artifacts they have now, as well as ones they will accumulate in the future.
however, i struck out there as well.
somehow, i then got reminded of a fellow i knew [a friend, actually] that hung around with that racer back when that accident occurred, and was present that fateful day.
it seems the car involved was a REPLICA of the hemi 4 speed car, and was a previous crash victim itself, making it perfect for the banging around a dirt car receives in use.
as the car was setup for turning left, it was somewhat hard to load on the trailer, driving it up on at a very slow speed.
and now i know everyone can see this coming, the driver jumped on it, the throttle stuck, and it was wide open into the oncoming car, killing the driver instantly.
there were news reporters there covering the story, and i was correct in reporting of the picture on the front page of the paper, as well as the car being in the impound lot at the local junkyard.
remember now, this was a REPLICA of the 66 belvedere hemi 4 speed car the racer owned at the time. that car was unhurt !
fast forward many years, and the car was sold to a family that are Mopar lovers, and have a nice collection of hemi cars.
as of approximately 15 years ago, they still owned the white, 66 belvedere hemi 4 speed car the local racer purchased new. as it is a survivor car, it is only having the necessary care needed to preserve it as it was delivered.
i haven't had the opportunity to contact this family, so this is as far as i can relate to this vehicle.
as these folks like their privacy, i will only say this car is located in western Pennsylvania. [provided they haven't sold it in the years gone by]
beer

Re: 1966 Belvedere I HEMI`s: let`s track them down by VIN#! [Re: moparx] #3087313
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Some pictures from Facebook that Robert Classen posted, figured I’d share here.
Matt

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Re: 1966 Belvedere I HEMI`s: let`s track them down by VIN#! [Re: mattsmopars] #3087376
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Originally Posted by mattsmopars
Originally Posted by mattsmopars
17. RL21H67269624 red on red column automatic
All this information again is with the help of my friend Joe Sica who put the time in at ever show to document the cars.
Matt


From my friend Joe Sica. High performance mopar November 1996.
Matt


Matt, big thanks to you and your buddy Joe for adding more info to 269624 (#53 on my list) !!!


Thanks and best regards,

Toby
Re: 1966 Belvedere I HEMI`s: let`s track them down by VIN#! [Re: moparx] #3087377
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Originally Posted by moparx
i have some good news to report !
at the beginning of this thread, i mentioned a local dirt track racer converting one of these cars to dirt track use, and was testing on the highway in front of his house, causing an accident with a fatality.
after some investigating, an interesting tale emerged.
the first thing i did was contact the local newspaper to see about their history of saving news from years gone by. it seems they have lost the years from sometime in the mid to late 50's through 1972 or so, so that was a dead end.
next, i tried the local library. same thing......... they have what the newspaper can provide, so if certain years are missing from the newspaper office records, they can't be provided to the library.
then, i contacted the history center. this entity has just begun to really get serious about compiling local history, they have some great people on the staff now, and are renovating an historic building that is way larger than their current location. this will allow them more room for the artifacts they have now, as well as ones they will accumulate in the future.
however, i struck out there as well.
somehow, i then got reminded of a fellow i knew [a friend, actually] that hung around with that racer back when that accident occurred, and was present that fateful day.
it seems the car involved was a REPLICA of the hemi 4 speed car, and was a previous crash victim itself, making it perfect for the banging around a dirt car receives in use.
as the car was setup for turning left, it was somewhat hard to load on the trailer, driving it up on at a very slow speed.
and now i know everyone can see this coming, the driver jumped on it, the throttle stuck, and it was wide open into the oncoming car, killing the driver instantly.
there were news reporters there covering the story, and i was correct in reporting of the picture on the front page of the paper, as well as the car being in the impound lot at the local junkyard.
remember now, this was a REPLICA of the 66 belvedere hemi 4 speed car the racer owned at the time. that car was unhurt !
fast forward many years, and the car was sold to a family that are Mopar lovers, and have a nice collection of hemi cars.
as of approximately 15 years ago, they still owned the white, 66 belvedere hemi 4 speed car the local racer purchased new. as it is a survivor car, it is only having the necessary care needed to preserve it as it was delivered.
i haven't had the opportunity to contact this family, so this is as far as i can relate to this vehicle.
as these folks like their privacy, i will only say this car is located in western Pennsylvania. [provided they haven't sold it in the years gone by]
beer


Man, that is some hugh efforts you made to shade some ligt on this car...and you succeeded - awesome!

And what a relief this car original car is still arround and only the replica had been destroyed. So I understand the replica-car itself was NOT a factory Hemi-car, correct?

I added the new infos to car#38 “unknown27”: white exterior,, manual trans, now in PA.

Do you by chance can get even more infos: not about the current owners, but about the car? Like of course the VIN# or the int. color or even fendertag? ;-)

Thanks in advance, “moparx”!


Thanks and best regards,

Toby
Re: 1966 Belvedere I HEMI`s: let`s track them down by VIN#! [Re: mattsmopars] #3087378
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Originally Posted by mattsmopars
Some pictures from Facebook that Robert Classen posted, figured I’d share here.
Matt


Matt, appreciate you’re scanning FB...as I am not there.

Is that “THE PROPHET”-car the same car (2nd life/owner) as the STAHL-car?

If not, we have a NEW car to be added to the list, which I guess, because the STAHL-car is a 4spd and this PROPHET-car is an auto.

Any more infos on “THE PROPHET”? When were the photos taken? Where located? VIN#?

NAME OF THE DRIVER/OWNER?

Any history? Quick googling did not show anything to me on this car :-(

At least we already have color-combo (white&tanred) plus trans (auto),


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Re: 1966 Belvedere I HEMI`s: let`s track them down by VIN#! [Re: TobiasM] #3087407
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"The Prophet" was out of the Detroit area. It is NOT the Stahl car. The Stahl car's history is known and was still painted in Stahl's colors when it was found by Tom Myl in the 80's.

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the REPLICA car was NOT a hemi car.
as to what the original drivetrain of that car was, that information is definitely lost to history.
if i can get in touch with the family that [may] still own[s] that car today, i will try to get the serial number.
however, as i said before, these folks like their privacy and may not want to give that number out.
beer

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Originally Posted by sixpakdodge
"The Prophet" was out of the Detroit area. It is NOT the Stahl car. The Stahl car's history is known and was still painted in Stahl's colors when it was found by Tom Myl in the 80's.


Thanks for further info!

Detroit fits to my google-search for “Dequindre & Rome Standard service”...no direct hit s though, but there is a Dequindre Road in Detroit at least.


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Originally Posted by moparx
the REPLICA car was NOT a hemi car.
as to what the original drivetrain of that car was, that information is definitely lost to history.
if i can get in touch with the family that [may] still own[s] that car today, i will try to get the serial number.
however, as i said before, these folks like their privacy and may not want to give that number out.
beer


@repclica: So if it is pretty much safe that was NOT factory hemi-car, you don’t need to make further efforts on it.

@real car: looking forward excitedly ;-)


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Toby
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Another off FB.
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Originally Posted by mattsmopars
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17. RL21H67269624 red on red column automatic
All this information again is with the help of my friend Joe Sica who put the time in at ever show to document the cars.
Matt


From my friend Joe Sica. High performance mopar November 1996.
Matt

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that was a good friend of mine Wally Krueger's car, his friend bought it brand new in Appleton Wi. friend Bob raced the car a little here and there and parked it in 1969 for unknown reasons, cause he pasted away years later while the car was still in storage, fast forward , his son now around 20 decided to get the car out, some parts got stolden while in storage and he took the motor out an gave it to a guy to check out and rebuild. He got frustrated with the car and told his mother to sell it , She contactd Wally who was Bob/s best friend, Wally bought the car an contacted me about checking over the motor cause he didn't trust the guy the kid had go through it. I took it apart and 4 of the pistons were upside down! I fixed the motor and got it running and took it to the Nats in 96 where the pic was taken, the car had 17,000 miles on it when I worked on it, Wally sold the car a couple of years ago to another friend of mine and it's close by, still has under 19k on it. I have a bunch of pic of it from when I worked on it.
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@Matt: thanks for the pic of the STAHL-car...always great to see these RL21H6’s in action up


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Toby
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@old_racer: thanks, Russ, for joining in and supplying some first-hand infos on (the now ex-)Wally’s-car. up

Glad you were more knowledgeble than the kid’s other mechanic and detected the u/d-pistons. That mechanic should have listened to UTG, that turning-arround the pistons is a no-no at engines with valve-reliefes/domes (e,g. 6pack/Hemi)...otherwise that would have made to an expensive “experience”.


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Toby
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