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Anyone know how the bowl vent is supposed to open? My linkage does not engage the vent lever. Pictures I’ve found on line look the same as mine.

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First, loosen the screw that holds the pivot to he bowl and bring that bracket up against the raised lip, tighten the screw.
Then you may have to carefully bend the rod.

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I added a rubber sleeve, maybe a piece of vac line, to make the rod a larger diameter. Mine brand new from Holley was the same way.


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That vent needs to open when the motor is shut off or idling a low engine RPM wrench up


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hi

first t you must open the choke plate and make sure you are not on fast idle cam and throttle blades closed .

then the vent arm should open the bowel vent at warm idle .

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Originally Posted by calrobb2000

hi

first t you must open the choke plate and make sure you are not on fast idle cam and throttle blades closed .

then the vent arm should open the bowel vent at warm idle .



Good catch, just noticed the choke is closed.

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Good point. I did check again while making sure it was not on fast idle and the idle speed screw all the way out. Same result though

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Thanks. It helps to know how the vent is supposed to function.

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So I tried Transman’s suggestion about loosening the pivot screw. With it loose the vent lever moves closer to the carb link but still doesn’t quite touch. Then in order to tighten the screw again it pulls back to the locating bosses. I’m thinking the next step will be to bend the rod or maybe add material as suggested. Seems like a weird design.

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What sucks about this design is that a stuck needle/seat will fill your intake manifold area with fuel before you even know there's an issue, or if you're lucky enough to hook the vent to your valve cover breather, you can fill your crankcase with fuel. With the normal venting path, a stuck needle/seat will push fuel down the carb throat and cause the car to run like crap immediately so you can shut it off.

I had a freak occurrence with the car idling in the driveway, the needle and seat stuck on center carb, and it filled up the intake area with fuel before it started spilling over the back of the block to the ground and I saw it. Luckily no fire. After that, I capped the bowl vent tube and haven't had any hot starting issues.

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Originally Posted by 83hurstguy
What sucks about this design is that a stuck needle/seat will fill your intake manifold area with fuel before you even know there's an issue, or if you're lucky enough to hook the vent to your valve cover breather, you can fill your crankcase with fuel. With the normal venting path, a stuck needle/seat will push fuel down the carb throat and cause the car to run like crap immediately so you can shut it off.

I had a freak occurrence with the car idling in the driveway, the needle and seat stuck on center carb, and it filled up the intake area with fuel before it started spilling over the back of the block to the ground and I saw it. Luckily no fire. After that, I capped the bowl vent tube and haven't had any hot starting issues.


Hummm. So it sounds like if the vent doesn’t function at all it’s ok?

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Originally Posted by 6pack67
So I tried Transman’s suggestion about loosening the pivot screw. With it loose the vent lever moves closer to the carb link but still doesn’t quite touch. Then in order to tighten the screw again it pulls back to the locating bosses. I’m thinking the next step will be to bend the rod or maybe add material as suggested. Seems like a weird design.


Bending carb linkages is a necessary technique. You should read the FSM.

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From the FSM

Checking Bowl Vent Valve Clearance
To check the bowl vent valve clearance
adjustment, proceed as follows:
(1) With the throttle valves at curb idle, it should
be possible to insert a .015 in. gauge between bowl
vent valve plunger stem and operating rod, (Fig.
26).
(2) If an adjustment is necessary, bend rod to
change arc of contact with throttle lever

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Originally Posted by 6pack67
Hummm. So it sounds like if the vent doesn’t function at all it’s ok?


There's still a main vent inside the air cleaner that sticks up by the accelerator pump nozzle. The external bowl vent is supposed to keep the fuel vapors from going up the tube when the engine is off and laying in the intake manifold, leading to a richer (tougher) hot start. Considering there are two other carbs doing the same thing (and contributing to idle) without a bowl vent, I'm not sure why secondary venting the center carb matters so much.

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Originally Posted by 83hurstguy
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Hummm. So it sounds like if the vent doesn’t function at all it’s ok?


There's still a main vent inside the air cleaner that sticks up by the accelerator pump nozzle. The external bowl vent is supposed to keep the fuel vapors from going up the tube when the engine is off and laying in the intake manifold, leading to a richer (tougher) hot start. Considering there are two other carbs doing the same thing (and contributing to idle) without a bowl vent, I'm not sure why secondary venting the center carb matters so much.



Mostly wrong. The external vent was mainly designed for emission vapors. Sending the vapors into the system and returning them to the tank.

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Originally Posted by NITROUSN
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Hummm. So it sounds like if the vent doesn’t function at all it’s ok?


There's still a main vent inside the air cleaner that sticks up by the accelerator pump nozzle. The external bowl vent is supposed to keep the fuel vapors from going up the tube when the engine is off and laying in the intake manifold, leading to a richer (tougher) hot start. Considering there are two other carbs doing the same thing (and contributing to idle) without a bowl vent, I'm not sure why secondary venting the center carb matters so much.



Mostly wrong. The external vent was mainly designed for emission vapors. Sending the vapors into the system and returning them to the tank.


Since I'm "mostly wrong" please explain how the first iteration of this design (a plug on the top of the float bowl that vented to the engine compartment) did anything to capture emission vapors.

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Hummm. So it sounds like if the vent doesn’t function at all it’s ok?


There's still a main vent inside the air cleaner that sticks up by the accelerator pump nozzle. The external bowl vent is supposed to keep the fuel vapors from going up the tube when the engine is off and laying in the intake manifold, leading to a richer (tougher) hot start. Considering there are two other carbs doing the same thing (and contributing to idle) without a bowl vent, I'm not sure why secondary venting the center carb matters so much.



Mostly wrong. The external vent was mainly designed for emission vapors. Sending the vapors into the system and returning them to the tank.


Since I'm "mostly wrong" please explain how the first iteration of this design (a plug on the top of the float bowl that vented to the engine compartment) did anything to capture emission vapors.


It did not capture vapors or was it intended to as it did not have that system. The carb in question here does have that system and does what it was intended to do.

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That bowl vent had a tube going to a canister filter that had lines going back to the fuel tank scope
Some of the early smog stuff wasn't so good whistling shruggy


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Carbs built after Jan 1, 1970 all generally have the same vent as the OP picture. It is correct that it was a design made for emissions control. Previous to Jan 1, they were not required. I’m sure it was an EPA thing. As to why it’s not working as it should direct from Holley, is a mystery. I restore six pack carbs now that Bill O has passed and have many carbs in the works right now. I’ve got some original carbs that are off of my AAR so I’ll inspect them when I go to the shop. I’ve done multiple sets of the early style bowl lately but I have a set in progress with the emission bowl so maybe I can check it out today. I did have a problem with the last emission bowl set and I used a new Holley vent arm. I had to bend it quite a bit to get it in the proper specs. I did not try and compare an original arm. Looks like I may have to do that. Be careful in bending that rod. It is made out of hard material and does not bend without a lot of force. You can mar the plating very easily, though.

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Carbs built after Jan 1, 1970 all generally have the same vent as the OP picture. It is correct that it was a design made for emissions control. Previous to Jan 1, they were not required. I’m sure it was an EPA thing. As to why it’s not working as it should direct from Holley, is a mystery. I restore six pack carbs now that Bill O has passed and have many carbs in the works right now. I’ve got some original carbs that are off of my AAR so I’ll inspect them when I go to the shop. I’ve done multiple sets of the early style bowl lately but I have a set in progress with the emission bowl so maybe I can check it out today. I did have a problem with the last emission bowl set and I used a new Holley vent arm. I had to bend it quite a bit to get it in the proper specs. I did not try and compare an original arm. Looks like I may have to do that. Be careful in bending that rod. It is made out of hard material and does not bend without a lot of force. You can mar the plating very easily, though.


From the FSM

Checking Bowl Vent Valve Clearance
To check the bowl vent valve clearance
adjustment, proceed as follows:
(1) With the throttle valves at curb idle, it should
be possible to insert a .015 in. gauge between bowl
vent valve plunger stem and operating rod, (Fig.
26).
(2) If an adjustment is necessary, bend rod to
change arc of contact with throttle lever

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