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2017 EMC BES BB Mopar build #3085082
10/11/22 11:44 AM
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Brad_Haak Offline OP
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The post asking about American Racing Headers reminded me that they worked w/ BES in 2017 on a BBM Engine Masters entry. I don't recall seeing any article breaking down the details of the build, but did find BES has posted some pics and info about it with their advertisement about it being for sale.

https://www.facebook.com/besracing1...om-ross-pistons-10921-/1697210836969845/

I looked through the pics and noticed a number of "interesting" things about it. I'm curious if other people pick up on the same -- or possibly different -- things about how BES went about this. It was definitely not an off-the-shelf & bolt-together effort...
- looks like BES did their own CNC program on Trick Flow castings; different chamber design & different intake port location than standard 270; larger intake valve, copper valve seats
- cylinder heads offset (elongated bolt holes); cylinder head intake faces milled back; custom pistons to allow for moving valves away from cylinder walls
- RB intake on B engine; used both Trick Flow and Edelbrock Victor intakes
- intake ports appear to be MW size, but not using MW intakes; looks like intake manifold castings not raised at roof, but picked up additional port area by shifting manifold higher on face of heads
- windows cut out of block the same way Jesse Robinson did previously
- billet steel caps and bolt-on main cap girdle


2021 Challenger 6.4L Scat Pack 1320
100% stock: 1.680, 11.894 at 113.75 (DA 175 ft)
weight reduction, wheels, tires, Hellcat air box: 1.661, 11.686 at 115.97 (DA 710 ft)

1973 Challenger 452 ci street/strip [2008]
pump gas, DOT radials: 1.454, 10.523 at 126.44 (DA 514 ft)
Re: 2017 EMC BES BB Mopar build [Re: Brad_Haak] #3085093
10/11/22 12:13 PM
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Just buy the 270s you know you want to stirthepot


Now I need to pin those needles, got to feel that heat
Hear my motor screamin while I'm tearin up the street
Re: 2017 EMC BES BB Mopar build [Re: GTX MATT] #3085101
10/11/22 12:29 PM
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I wasn't aware of this BES build, have to check it out!

Re: 2017 EMC BES BB Mopar build [Re: Brad_Haak] #3085119
10/11/22 01:07 PM
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W/r/t "copper valve seats"
Copper is too soft, more likely bronze or beryllium ($$$)


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Re: 2017 EMC BES BB Mopar build [Re: HardcoreB] #3085122
10/11/22 01:11 PM
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On the parachute mount
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On the parachute mount
Originally Posted by HardcoreB
I wasn't aware of this BES build, have to check it out!



BES builds a killer BB Mopar up


....BAD A$$ STREET CAR.....
Re: 2017 EMC BES BB Mopar build [Re: polyspheric] #3085129
10/11/22 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by polyspheric
W/r/t "copper valve seats"
Copper is too soft, more likely bronze or beryllium ($$$)

Probably referring to Beryllium copper seats - and yes big bucks

Re: 2017 EMC BES BB Mopar build [Re: DoubleD] #3085168
10/11/22 03:50 PM
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Ampco has a few primarily copper alloys suitable for ICE valve seats.
Ampco 45(AMPCOLOY) is: Aluminium (Al) 10.0%
Iron (Fe) 2.5%
Nickel (Ni) 5.0%
Manganese (Mn) 1.0%
Others max. 0.5%
Copper (Cu) balance

Looks to be roughly 81% copper.

Re: 2017 EMC BES BB Mopar build [Re: Brad_Haak] #3085427
10/12/22 12:50 PM
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I think that's a bargain compared to what alot of stuff is going for right now.

Re: 2017 EMC BES BB Mopar build [Re: mopar873] #3085551
10/12/22 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by mopar873
I think that's a bargain compared to what alot of stuff is going for right now.


The engine was for sale in 2017, so that is probably why


Alan Jones
Re: 2017 EMC BES BB Mopar build [Re: LA360] #3085587
10/12/22 09:04 PM
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I think he still had it for sale a couple years ago when he did my GTX motor. He mentioned it to me.


67 Coronet 500 9.610 @ 139.20 mph
67 Coronet 500 (street car) 14.82 @ 94 mph
69 GTX (clone) - build in progress......






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