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Re: How "big" is a TF270 intake port? [Re: Al_Alguire] #3083880
10/06/22 04:48 PM
10/06/22 04:48 PM
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tex013 Offline
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thanks Al for your insight , again .
Always the case of " I want vs I need " .
I see it at work , everyone wants a 700+ HP motor for tootling around and going to the shops . My opinion is unless you are racing why bother ? As long as you can do a burn out on the street just lie about the HP grin .
Andy thanks also withyour comments re Tflow and the boost to a lot of mid level bracket racers . I'm one of them . Now all I need is to get rid of 100lbs or so from the Satellite .
Don't forget some racers dont want the extra SFI parts turnover or extra safety gear that a higher HP / ET car brings . So that sorta easy 700 or so HP number is fine , especially in a dual purpose car .
And yes I have the TF 270s on my 505 and laugh with fellow Ford/Chev racers about how small the port sizes are , even @ Max Wedge size .

Tex

Last edited by tex013; 10/06/22 04:50 PM.

New best ET 10.259@129.65 .
New best MPH 130.32
Finally fitted a solid cam,
stepped it up a bit more
3690lbs through the mufflers
New World block 3780lbs 10.278@130.80 . Wowser 10.253@130.24 footbraking from 1500rpm
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Re: How "big" is a TF270 intake port? [Re: tex013] #3084006
10/07/22 10:18 AM
10/07/22 10:18 AM
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Loudoun County, VA
Brad_Haak Offline OP
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^^^ up

Big ports iz scary... haha


2021 Challenger 6.4L Scat Pack 1320 (2022)
100% stock: 1.680, 11.894 at 113.75 (DA 175 ft)
wheels, tires, air filter: 1.714, 11.833 at 115.80 (DA 310 ft)

1973 Challenger 452 ci street/strip (2008)
pump gas, DOT radials: 1.454, 10.523 at 126.44 (DA 514 ft)
Re: How "big" is a TF270 intake port? [Re: Al_Alguire] #3084650
10/09/22 08:30 PM
10/09/22 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Al_Alguire
I have done both and the costs are not that much greater for a BBM than a BBC at 1000 HP. Cranks, Rods, Pitons, Rings, Lifters, Cams, Oiling parts, a;l those are are the SAME cost pretty much. I have both so I know. Feel free to price and aluminum BB chevy block and get back to me. Heads of similar performance potential are pretty much the same cost. Porting is porting don't matter what head it is the price is the same. The difference is options for the BBC guys, the initial cost of an ironblock is another, although most those lower dollar Chevy blocks need work to make them useful at that power leve,like cam cores, lifter sizing so that brings the cost more inline. Also the secondary market for BBC stuff is much larger than the BBM one. Building new it is a few grand either way, so if a few grand is gonna break your budget on a 1000hp combo then maybe you need to rethink your hobby and finances.

I have seen more than my fair share of crate engines from many of the larger name Chevy shops. Most do not perform anywhere near their posted HP numbers. The exception to that rule is Reher and Morrison, and again feel free to look at their prices and get back to me. I have seen the inside of them as well and many are downright SCARY when you get in there, the lack of attention to detail and quality workmanship, again Reher is a glaring exception again. There are the nicest pieces you will find.

Bottom line IMO. Many Mopar guys shy away from trying to make HP. Because they keep getting told it cant be done, or it cost to much, or its way cheaper to build a BBC. Some are scared of the RPM it might take to get there. Others don't want to or refuse to come around to more modern thinking on making HP. Or most the most likely reason is they are happy making 7-800 and running where they are. Nothing wrong with it.BUt its what keeps the Mopar stuff limited to what we have. I am on my third Predator build right now. Was it cheap HELL no. Could I build a BBC for less, yeah maybe 2500-3000 less. In the end it will make a bit over 1100hp and be a reliable bracket/.90 engine for me. Have a 582 aluminum BBC going together right next to it as well. And the costs difference is nominal and the Predator will make more power.


I've seen a few crate engines make their way down here, only to ruin the crankshaft or eat itself in some way after about 2000 klms. As Al pointed out, no attention to detail.

The Trickflow stuff is nicely made, but most BBM heads are just plain tiny port wise.


Alan Jones
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