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Re: Electronic Ignition upgrade?
[Re: SomeCarGuy]
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10/03/22 01:16 PM
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Well...Petronics is not hard to install and IF I installed it I would keep a small pouch of tools (screw driver and feeler gauge) in the trunk or glove box with the original point setup just in case the 1 in 100000 chance the petronics crapped out. How many in the forum carry a spare ballast resistor. And I could care less if someone "spotted" the difference because of a wire. I have never carried a spare ballast resistor, never had one go bad either. As for the wire, someone else used that as an excuse to not use the factory electronic ignition. I wouldn't us a petronix if it was free and they gave me a spare to keep in the glove box. As with most things of late, the older versions seem decent, the new stuff is a crapshoot. I'll keep my points first. It’s not an excuse. It’s the reason what the guy asked for requires petronix to get as close as possible to a factory look. I guess I do more driving, as I’ve had a ballast go bad. I do tend to put in more miles than most people. Not many people have used a 68-71 mopar for a three season daily driver when they were over thirty years old like I have. My work commute to work was 75 miles, each way, did it for 13 years with a ballast equipped car, all seasons. Had zero ballast failures. Been driving Mopars with ballast resistors since I bought my first car in 1984. Zero ballast failures. Right now my daily driver is a 51 Plymouth I converted to 12v, running a ballast resistor, no issues. My Cuda is still running it's original ballast resistor. So my anecdotal evidence negates your anecdotal evidence. The ballast resistor issue is way overblown and even so, a jumper will get you running long enough to get home or to the parts store for a new ballast resistor. Can't do that with a Pertronix.
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Re: Electronic Ignition upgrade?
[Re: Sniper]
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10/03/22 01:41 PM
10/03/22 01:41 PM
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Haven't done one in awhile, but a quick search looks like the original kits are gone except for ebay NOS for ~ $500.
Pertronix looks like a good option, but if I were being anal and were going to do one, on a driver or Friday night car, I would source the components that made up the original kit. All look to be available. Although some may be made west of Hawaii.
Performance apps I would just go to an MSD with a factory electronic distributor and hide the stuff.
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Re: Electronic Ignition upgrade?
[Re: Sniper]
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10/03/22 02:42 PM
10/03/22 02:42 PM
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Well...Petronics is not hard to install and IF I installed it I would keep a small pouch of tools (screw driver and feeler gauge) in the trunk or glove box with the original point setup just in case the 1 in 100000 chance the petronics crapped out. How many in the forum carry a spare ballast resistor. And I could care less if someone "spotted" the difference because of a wire. I have never carried a spare ballast resistor, never had one go bad either. As for the wire, someone else used that as an excuse to not use the factory electronic ignition. I wouldn't us a petronix if it was free and they gave me a spare to keep in the glove box. As with most things of late, the older versions seem decent, the new stuff is a crapshoot. I'll keep my points first. It’s not an excuse. It’s the reason what the guy asked for requires petronix to get as close as possible to a factory look. I guess I do more driving, as I’ve had a ballast go bad. I do tend to put in more miles than most people. Not many people have used a 68-71 mopar for a three season daily driver when they were over thirty years old like I have. My work commute to work was 75 miles, each way, did it for 13 years with a ballast equipped car, all seasons. Had zero ballast failures. Been driving Mopars with ballast resistors since I bought my first car in 1984. Zero ballast failures. Right now my daily driver is a 51 Plymouth I converted to 12v, running a ballast resistor, no issues. My Cuda is still running it's original ballast resistor. So my anecdotal evidence negates your anecdotal evidence. The ballast resistor issue is way overblown and even so, a jumper will get you running long enough to get home or to the parts store for a new ballast resistor. Can't do that with a Pertronix. Good for you?? Thanks for sharing.
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Re: Electronic Ignition upgrade?
[Re: JMCFAN]
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10/03/22 06:14 PM
10/03/22 06:14 PM
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Try here... Mancini has what U need... The nice thing about the Mopar ignition kit is that its parts like distributor cap, ignition module, ballast resistor are available almost anywhere. But I would suggest U consider upgrading the orange ignition module.. Just my $0.02...;) https://www.manciniracing.com/mopeelcoki.html
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Re: Electronic Ignition upgrade?
[Re: Sinitro]
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10/03/22 06:56 PM
10/03/22 06:56 PM
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Try here... Mancini has what U need... The nice thing about the Mopar ignition kit is that its parts like distributor cap, ignition module, ballast resistor are available almost anywhere. But I would suggest U consider upgrading the orange ignition module.. Just my $0.02...;) https://www.manciniracing.com/mopeelcoki.html Upgrading orange module to what??
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Re: Electronic Ignition upgrade?
[Re: JMCFAN]
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10/03/22 08:16 PM
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Try here... Mancini has what U need... The nice thing about the Mopar ignition kit is that its parts like distributor cap, ignition module, ballast resistor are available almost anywhere. But I would suggest U consider upgrading the orange ignition module.. Just my $0.02...;) https://www.manciniracing.com/mopeelcoki.html Upgrading orange module to what?? Quality of later orange modules is questionable.. A quality replacement is the Standard Motor Products LX101. Or U can ask Mancini to switch out the module to 1 of their black modules. https://www.manciniracing.com/marablelcoun.htmlJust my $0.02... 
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Re: Electronic Ignition upgrade?
[Re: SomeCarGuy]
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10/03/22 08:34 PM
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The ballast resistor issue is way overblown and even so, a jumper will get you running long enough to get home or to the parts store for a new ballast resistor. Can't do that with a Pertronix. But it's such a small item to carry in trunk, IF you ever need one. These older parts won't be in Parts Stores forever, dwindling down even now.
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Re: Electronic Ignition upgrade?
[Re: PhillyRag]
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10/04/22 08:36 AM
10/04/22 08:36 AM
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None of the electronics you buy now are as good as they used to be.
My advice is to get a Pertronix kit, but keep a spare setup if you're worried about it. Anyone using an MP kit or MSD probably has a spare also. I prefer the older MSD analog 6AL boxes, but I have 5 cars using the same system...easy to swap out if needed.
I've installed 2 Pertronix kits on Mopars and both worked great.
Local parts stores rarely have anything on the shelf for our old cars anymore. So if you're worried about availability, buy extras yourself.
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'69 road runner, 440-6, 18 spline 4 speed, Dana 60
'71 Demon, 340, low gear 904, 8.75
'73 Chrysler New Yorker, 440, 727, 8.75
'90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt
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Re: Electronic Ignition upgrade?
[Re: an8sec70cuda]
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10/04/22 12:48 PM
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On these factory or replacement boxes, that big round transistor is what fails. Read where some guy changed them out to a better grade for penny’s. He claimed they (not Chrysler) put the cheapest ones (to weak) in the new ones. So find a few boxes, pop in the new transistor, store then in the trunk, if you even need another. Wish I still had that article.
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Re: Electronic Ignition upgrade?
[Re: cudaman1969]
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10/04/22 01:39 PM
10/04/22 01:39 PM
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I ordered the Pertronix Ignitor II and Flame Thrower II coil.,,, Will have on Thurs ( Prime!) will update when installed.
68 Charger 383/ AT Green/Green VT
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Re: Electronic Ignition upgrade?
[Re: JMCFAN]
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10/06/22 12:24 PM
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I ordered the Pertronix Ignitor II and Flame Thrower II coil.,,, Will have on Thurs ( Prime!) will update when installed. For those that installed a Pertronix Ignitor II....did you remove the ballast resistor? Instuctions say you can leave it.....
68 Charger 383/ AT Green/Green VT
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Re: Electronic Ignition upgrade?
[Re: JMCFAN]
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10/06/22 02:08 PM
10/06/22 02:08 PM
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I ordered the Pertronix Ignitor II and Flame Thrower II coil.,,, Will have on Thurs ( Prime!) will update when installed. For those that installed a Pertronix Ignitor II....did you remove the ballast resistor? Instuctions say you can leave it..... Yes, I removed it.
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'70 hemicuda, 575" Hemi, 727, Dana 60
'69 road runner, 440-6, 18 spline 4 speed, Dana 60
'71 Demon, 340, low gear 904, 8.75
'73 Chrysler New Yorker, 440, 727, 8.75
'90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt
'06 GMC 2500HD LBZ Duramax
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Re: Electronic Ignition upgrade?
[Re: JMCFAN]
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10/07/22 12:14 AM
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I ordered the Pertronix Ignitor II and Flame Thrower II coil.,,, Will have on Thurs ( Prime!) will update when installed. For those that installed a Pertronix Ignitor II....did you remove the ballast resistor? Instuctions say you can leave it..... I have mine bypassed internally so the resistor still looks correct even though it’s not doing anything.
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Re: Electronic Ignition upgrade?
[Re: JohnRR]
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10/07/22 12:13 PM
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Do not leave the key on with their coil. I've had 3 blow when we forgot to turn the ignition off while testing other things without the motor running. If you need to do so, disconnect the + side of the coil.   This is good to know , a friend of mine called me a couple weeks ago with a problem with his car I swapped a Pertronixs into after he was at a car show and left his ignition on for an hours or so. I'll call him and tell him to swap the coil and see if that fixes it . I am not 100% on the following, but they may have corrected the problem on the pertronix 2 & 3 models. i have always run MSD blaster 2 coils because of the failures we've had/seen with their coils
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Re: Electronic Ignition upgrade?
[Re: JMCFAN]
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10/08/22 06:28 PM
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I ordered the Pertronix Ignitor II and Flame Thrower II coil.,,, Will have on Thurs ( Prime!) will update when installed. Install complete.... wow.... should have done that a while ago. Adjust idle and a slight timimg tweak... runs best it ever has.....which shows I suck at tuning points... Charger is next!!
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