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Re: So...they'll be a 2024 v8 mustang but no challenger/charger [Re: Dart 500] #3078713
09/19/22 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Dart 500
As my dad always says "A little information is a dangerous thing" Wait until they see what a lithium mine looks like



exactly ! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ iagree
everyone touting the "green" bull$hit NEVER mentions a thing about what it takes to make a battery, and what lithium mining involves and leaves behind ! panic
that makes me just more than a LITTLE irritated ! flame mad
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Re: So...they'll be a 2024 v8 mustang but no challenger/charger [Re: Dart 500] #3078810
09/19/22 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Dart 500
As my dad always says "A little information is a dangerous thing" Wait until they see what a lithium mine looks like
Yep, and battery mountains...the discarded old ones. Ooops, I guess the ICE was so bad afterall.


Facts are stubborn things.
Re: So...they'll be a 2024 v8 mustang but no challenger/charger [Re: DUFFMAN] #3078863
09/19/22 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by DUFFMAN
Wow. A lot of negative Nancy's here.

Like it or not the Banshee will smoke the new Mustang. I'm not an EV fan, but 0-60 in 2.6 Seconds is pretty impressive.

As far as the Hurricane, not much has been published about them yet. Judging by the 30mpg of the 3.6l Pentastar/8 speed combo in the Challenger I'd bet it going to be 30+ mpg with the HP of a HEMI.


82% of america in not adapted for EV charging. That is the first problem. second is that how do you make an EV faster? There are no headers, blowers, turbos, camshafts, nitrous, cylinder heads, engine. intake upgrades you can do to it. Every car person out there that has a fast car (even Demon owners) has had made mods to make their cars faster. Eliminate the ability to make a car faster, say goodbye to over 70% of your potential market. These latest decisions could bankrupt Chrysler/Dodge again.

Re: So...they'll be a 2024 v8 mustang but no challenger/charger [Re: Dart 500] #3078953
09/20/22 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Dart 500
Wait until they see what a lithium mine looks like


They don't care.




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Re: So...they'll be a 2024 v8 mustang but no challenger/charger [Re: gdonovan] #3079022
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Lithium prices have more than tripled in the last year and has gone up 10X since 2012, they been telling us battery prices are gonna come down for years "we just need a little more technology and the price will come down" "we just need higher production volume and the price will come down"... well lithium ion batteries were first invented around what 1985? 37 years of development and gooberment subsidies ain't enough to bring the prices down? Also my 5-10 year old power tool batteries all need replaced and cost more than a new tool does, tesla owners with 10 year old cars are already griping that a new battery is more than the car is worth, why do you think Elon Musk shot his roadster into space? Apparently that was cheaper than buying a new battery for it.


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Re: So...they'll be a 2024 v8 mustang but no challenger/charger [Re: HotRodDave] #3079185
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I gotta wonder whether the fine folks of Moparts would be better running an auto company than those at the helm? shruggy

Re: So...they'll be a 2024 v8 mustang but no challenger/charger [Re: Diego (not Ted)] #3079249
09/21/22 10:33 AM
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It's not just Mopar this applies to Ted. Take a look at the Camaro. GM is a complete disaster. I used to think a company like GM should hire about 10 "car guys" to simply tell them their designs suck. Mopar at least had the formula figured out with the Challenger. Want to build a Camaro that sells, dust off the design for the 68, drop in the 6.2 liter with a 6 speed, Bingo. After a couple of years move on to the 69. Heck, 10 years later they could redo the 70 1/2 design. They would sell like crazy. Any american auto company that is not at least offering a v8 as an option is committing suicide IMHO. It has also been suggested that with the SCOTUS ruling against the EPA on power plants, there might be a case coming against the EPA on CAFE.


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Re: So...they'll be a 2024 v8 mustang but no challenger/charger [Re: klunick] #3079267
09/21/22 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by klunick
It's not just Mopar this applies to Ted. Take a look at the Camaro. GM is a complete disaster. I used to think a company like GM should hire about 10 "car guys" to simply tell them their designs suck. Mopar at least had the formula figured out with the Challenger. Want to build a Camaro that sells, dust off the design for the 68, drop in the 6.2 liter with a 6 speed, Bingo. After a couple of years move on to the 69. Heck, 10 years later they could redo the 70 1/2 design. They would sell like crazy. Any american auto company that is not at least offering a v8 as an option is committing suicide IMHO. It has also been suggested that with the SCOTUS ruling against the EPA on power plants, there might be a case coming against the EPA on CAFE.


GM has a soccer mom at the helm that was put there during the steering column debacle (you remember the debacle...where GM filed a bogus bankruptcy to shield themselves from liability and walked away from that whole mess at the expense of the taxpayer). She was put there to placate


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Re: So...they'll be a 2024 v8 mustang but no challenger/charger [Re: Diego (not Ted)] #3079329
09/21/22 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Diego (not Ted)
I gotta wonder whether the fine folks of Moparts would be better running an auto company than those at the helm? shruggy


Actually may be true others could do better. Read “On a Clear Day You Can See General Motors.” Sometimes people get jobs they aren’t able to do, like happened to GM.


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Re: So...they'll be a 2024 v8 mustang but no challenger/charger [Re: SomeCarGuy] #3079344
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Originally Posted by SomeCarGuy
Originally Posted by Diego (not Ted)
I gotta wonder whether the fine folks of Moparts would be better running an auto company than those at the helm? shruggy


Actually may be true others could do better. Read “On a Clear Day You Can See General Motors.” Sometimes people get jobs they aren’t able to do, like happened to GM.


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Re: So...they'll be a 2024 v8 mustang but no challenger/charger [Re: SomeCarGuy] #3079511
09/22/22 07:50 AM
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Knew someone that worked for GM, said it was a joke. She made a spread sheet that showed all this important data they needed but couldn't figure out how to do, she presents it to them and she was offered some high up position at their HQ in Detroit. She declined, didn't want to live there.

Re: So...they'll be a 2024 v8 mustang but no challenger/charger [Re: klunick] #3079817
09/23/22 01:53 AM
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Originally Posted by klunick
It's not just Mopar this applies to Ted. Take a look at the Camaro. GM is a complete disaster. I used to think a company like GM should hire about 10 "car guys" to simply tell them their designs suck. Mopar at least had the formula figured out with the Challenger. Want to build a Camaro that sells, dust off the design for the 68, drop in the 6.2 liter with a 6 speed, Bingo. After a couple of years move on to the 69. Heck, 10 years later they could redo the 70 1/2 design. They would sell like crazy. Any american auto company that is not at least offering a v8 as an option is committing suicide IMHO. It has also been suggested that with the SCOTUS ruling against the EPA on power plants, there might be a case coming against the EPA on CAFE.


Well, the formula you speak of was just marketing. Dodge was saddled with an old platform that needed updating pronto, but there was no money. With sedan sales falling and many companies discontinuing theirs, Dodge had an opportunity and exploited its position with aplomb, marginally tweaking the platform with horsepower and turning the division into a performance brand in ways it never was.

But it had to come to an end.

We're actually lucky how it has panned out but honestly we got these hp warriors out of necessity for survival and nothing more.

I wonder what the people in the tall buildings of Detroit know that we don't? They're preparing for a future that we can't envision because we are men stuck behind a keyboard.

Re: So...they'll be a 2024 v8 mustang but no challenger/charger [Re: Diego (not Ted)] #3080041
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They are all heading down a path towards bankruptcy sales. Battery tech needs to improve hugely, as right now costs are 2X that of an ICE engine, mileage is still way to limited by multiple factors and the total impact on the environment is not really any better. Add in EV costs now averaging well over 50k, supply limitations on current battery components and the fact that if we went 100% we would see our electric bill go up 3X. Nope, I'll stick with what I know works.


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Re: So...they'll be a 2024 v8 mustang but no challenger/charger [Re: klunick] #3080235
09/24/22 11:27 AM
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I seen the same vid as everyone else. I never heard him say the would not be any more challengers or chargers. Heck there is even a 24 charger right in front of you
What he DID say was. There will be no more challenger or challenger in this configuration (hemi) as we have now
You would be a fool t9 think they will just up and stop making there largest selling cars. It will just be on a different platform


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