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Smothers Supercars nitrous class #3072048
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I attended this class Saturday and I would highly recommend it for anyone spraying or thinking about it!

He covers a lot of n/a tuning as well but the nitrous stuff is what Monte Smith used to teach before he passed. Lots of things that disprove a lot of what some "gurus" will tell you. Wayne has a cool shop with lots of neat Mopars being worked on to see while you are there, including the Legendary Brown Sugar!

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'63 Dodge 330
11.19 @ 121 mph
Pump gas, n/a, through the mufflers on street tires with 3.54's. 3,600 lbs.
10.01 @ 133mph with a 250 shot of nitrous an a splash of race gas. 1.36 60 ft. 3,700 lbs.

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how Long did the class last?

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I wondered if Wayne was still moving forward with the classes or not, especially since Monte traveled facilitating the courses years ago. Glad to see he's still engaged in doing them. Wayne's a smart dude. Also glad to see he repaired and bringing Brown Sugar back to life! That car has a history of always being fast dating back to when it was Bruce Lagory's with its BES B1 power-plant.


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Originally Posted by Thelma133
how Long did the class last?


10 am to 3 pm with lunch provided.


'63 Dodge 330
11.19 @ 121 mph
Pump gas, n/a, through the mufflers on street tires with 3.54's. 3,600 lbs.
10.01 @ 133mph with a 250 shot of nitrous an a splash of race gas. 1.36 60 ft. 3,700 lbs.

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I think the B1 motor stayed with the owner after Smothers bought it and used in his 62 Dart which is also a beast, just not as much publicity

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Mean ‘62 Dodge……..SHAWANDA!

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Re: Smothers Supercars nitrous class [Re: EvilB1Dart] #3072275
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I love streetking's cars, that '62 is a bad b2##!@h!!!

Wayne's shop is in Oklahoma, right? Great feedback on the class. Thanks!!


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I'd love to take that class. Wayne's a great guy w/ one heck of a nice shop! My dad and I stopped by his place last year to meet him and take a tour.


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'90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt
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Originally Posted by Blusmbl
I love streetking's cars, that '62 is a bad b2##!@h!!!

Wayne's shop is in Oklahoma, right? Great feedback on the class. Thanks!!


I believe Wayne's shop is is Oologah, Oklahoma, about thirty miles North of Tulsa.

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Originally Posted by 340Cuda
Originally Posted by Blusmbl
I love streetking's cars, that '62 is a bad b2##!@h!!!

Wayne's shop is in Oklahoma, right? Great feedback on the class. Thanks!!


I believe Wayne's shop is is Oologah, Oklahoma, about thirty miles North of Tulsa.


Yep, middle of nowhere between Bartlesville and Tulsa.


'63 Dodge 330
11.19 @ 121 mph
Pump gas, n/a, through the mufflers on street tires with 3.54's. 3,600 lbs.
10.01 @ 133mph with a 250 shot of nitrous an a splash of race gas. 1.36 60 ft. 3,700 lbs.

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I'd have driven right on by if not for that big yellow ford truck!


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'69 road runner, 440-6, 18 spline 4 speed, Dana 60
'71 Demon, 340, low gear 904, 8.75
'73 Chrysler New Yorker, 440, 727, 8.75
'90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt
'06 GMC 2500HD LBZ Duramax
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Originally Posted by an8sec70cuda
I'd have driven right on by if not for that big yellow ford truck!


LOL! Yep, he had to give me the Google Maps address for his neighbor across the street because his address doesn't populate.


'63 Dodge 330
11.19 @ 121 mph
Pump gas, n/a, through the mufflers on street tires with 3.54's. 3,600 lbs.
10.01 @ 133mph with a 250 shot of nitrous an a splash of race gas. 1.36 60 ft. 3,700 lbs.

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Nitrous was very popular in my days of racing and then the "its cheating brigade" voiced up but good to see it coming back, we have a new 7.60 class running here and a long time racer from back in my days who's still running his '68 pontiac with 540BBC power now who runs 8.80's@154 NA has got the bug, ran 7.85@175 with 1.15 60's last time out, there's 7.60's in it if he could get the 60's in the 1.0's up

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Originally Posted by rb446
Nitrous was very popular in my days of racing and then the "its cheating brigade" voiced up but good to see it coming back, we have a new 7.60 class running here and a long time racer from back in my days who's still running his '68 pontiac with 540BBC power now who runs 8.80's@154 NA has got the bug, ran 7.85@175 with 1.15 60's last time out, there's 7.60's in it if he could get the 60's in the 1.0's up


I've never understood that.

It adds air to engine the same as any other power adder be it a supercharger or turbo and you add fuel accordingly. Maybe the fact that it can be hidden or is not quite as visible is where the stigma lies?

There's an article that show guys using it as far back as the late 50's in their dragster so it's not necessarily new to the scene, either. They used it in WWII on airplanes!

All I know is, it's a lot of fun to have an "on demand" power adder on a street car!


'63 Dodge 330
11.19 @ 121 mph
Pump gas, n/a, through the mufflers on street tires with 3.54's. 3,600 lbs.
10.01 @ 133mph with a 250 shot of nitrous an a splash of race gas. 1.36 60 ft. 3,700 lbs.

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Didn’t Smothers and Monte get into heated discussions about nitrous and it application when monte was still alive.


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Originally Posted by pittsburghracer


Didn’t Smothers and Monte get into heated discussions about nitrous and it application when monte was still alive.

I think they were in agreement on nitrous application/theory/etc. Monte jerked Wayne around on an intake job...so there was an issue there.


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'69 road runner, 440-6, 18 spline 4 speed, Dana 60
'71 Demon, 340, low gear 904, 8.75
'73 Chrysler New Yorker, 440, 727, 8.75
'90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt
'06 GMC 2500HD LBZ Duramax
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Originally Posted by rb446
Nitrous was very popular in my days of racing and then the "its cheating brigade" voiced up but good to see it coming back, we have a new 7.60 class running here and a long time racer from back in my days who's still running his '68 pontiac with 540BBC power now who runs 8.80's@154 NA has got the bug, ran 7.85@175 with 1.15 60's last time out, there's 7.60's in it if he could get the 60's in the 1.0's up


There's 3 10lb bottles and an old 2 stage NOS progressive controller in my garage, we've had them for a long time, just need the fogger kit and solenoids. Once the car is into the 8's N/A we'll likely fit it grin


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9.51 @ 142.4 1/4, 6.003 @ 114 1/8 with our old mule KB, 572-13, 580 wedge.
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Originally Posted by Tig
Originally Posted by rb446
Nitrous was very popular in my days of racing and then the "its cheating brigade" voiced up but good to see it coming back, we have a new 7.60 class running here and a long time racer from back in my days who's still running his '68 pontiac with 540BBC power now who runs 8.80's@154 NA has got the bug, ran 7.85@175 with 1.15 60's last time out, there's 7.60's in it if he could get the 60's in the 1.0's up


There's 3 10lb bottles and an old 2 stage NOS progressive controller in my garage, we've had them for a long time, just need the fogger kit and solenoids. Once the car is into the 8's N/A we'll likely fit it grin


Well all I can say to that is your a brave man.


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Originally Posted by Tig
Originally Posted by rb446
Nitrous was very popular in my days of racing and then the "its cheating brigade" voiced up but good to see it coming back, we have a new 7.60 class running here and a long time racer from back in my days who's still running his '68 pontiac with 540BBC power now who runs 8.80's@154 NA has got the bug, ran 7.85@175 with 1.15 60's last time out, there's 7.60's in it if he could get the 60's in the 1.0's up


There's 3 10lb bottles and an old 2 stage NOS progressive controller in my garage, we've had them for a long time, just need the fogger kit and solenoids. Once the car is into the 8's N/A we'll likely fit it grin



I have well over 5000.00 worth of stuff and never cared to try it yet. Three new bottles that need recertification, Sledgehammer nitrous kit, progressive, scales, 5 set of NGK plugs, plug reader and probably some more crap.


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422 Indy headed small block
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9.42@138.27

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Great '62, but it's not a Dart.
It's a Polara 500. 361 4 bbl 305 hp base engine.
I was almost killed in one in 1966 - giant concrete bridge abutment does not move when struck, instead shortens the wheelbase and puts the engine in the foot well.


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