Shouldn't it have been called Charged, instead of Charger?

And just like that, Ford starts selling more V8 next year. Will have to see a few years down the road how a hemi swap fits into the new battery bucket.

At the end of the day, what matters is how quick it is. Tesla Plaid runs low 9s. Those with stripped interiors and sticky tires, are running in the 8s, which is truly mind boggling for a 4500-4800 lb luxury sedan.
This is partially why Bugatti cashed-in the chips and merged with Rimac, it's game over.
Charger Banshee absolutely MUST be in the very low 9s and/or be very cheap relative to Tesla. They will not be able to match Tesla's ADAS magic or software UI, so performance is really all they have.

The cell supplier is extremely important for cost, availability and performance. Given the supply chain constraints right now, most of the dance partners have been chosen:
Tesla+Panasonic+BYD (plus their own 4680 cell, made in Austin)
GM+LG Chem
Ford+CATL
Maybe Stellantis + Samsung SDI? https://insideevs.com/news/589228/stellantis-plans-combat-battery-shortage-recession/
It takes ~10 years to permit a mine and get the spice flowing, so we are almost tapped-out on the mineral supply side, with the exception of China/Russia. Any mine in a western country (US/Canada or Europe) will have jackasses holding signs with sad faces and virtue politics that don't really affect China/Russia.
South America may be at capacity for anode material, but Indonesia is scaling up cathode material for Tesla ($5B contract signed) https://electrek.co/2022/08/08/tesla-tsla-secures-deal-5-billion-worth-nickel-indonesia-official/

800V architecture will help a lot (which is what Porsche and Lucid do too). The fact that Tesla can do what they do with less than 800V is kind-of scary, TBH. Plaid+ or Roadster 2.0 will likely be 800V and 4680 structural cells, which will have new physics.

I REALLY want there to be go-fast options at "reasonable cost" besides Tesla. Fords Mach-E (Mex-E) is kind of a joke. GM has nothing really (Hummer EV doesn't really count). Kia EV6 600hp version could be real in a year or so, but super low volume production, me-too car, kind of like Hummer EV.
So the market is kind of soft here, and maybe Dodge has a chance if they can get cells or a full pack at reasonable cost and volume. Going toe-to-toe with Tesla on EV performance is extremely difficult. and in a way, Tesla is a lot like Legacy Chrysler of 60-70 yrs ago: Small, engineering-centric, scrappy, resourceful, and proud. I wish Dodge/Stellantis luck, and I will consider buying a Charger Banshee if it's competitive with a Plaid for ~75% of the cost.

No doubt it will be fast. But that's not all it needs to be for enthusiasts. The sound and the feel of a RWD V8 cannot be duplicated. Steering with the rear wheels is a blast. The roar from a V8 tuned right with the right exhaust is music to so many of our ears.

i agree 100% and also wonder why the oil companies are being so quiet

LOL

yeah they hacked that up before production and I'll bet they do the same again

Stellantis has partnered with LG and Samsung and don't disregard their engineers. Tesla hired a ton of layed off Chrysler engineers back in 07-08 when that private equity firm was carving out entire departments, hundreds were let go and a LOT of them went to Tesla to make the model S.

Actually the concept was a 4 door. Look closely. Oh you cant because this site won't let you do it. When is somebody going to fix this?
[img]http://https://www.motortrend.com/uploads/2022/05/001-1999-Dodge-Charger-Concept-Show-Car-RT-2006.jpg?fit=around%7C875:492[/img]

Here is the link to the pic

https://www.motortrend.com/vehicle-...eid=4908a6ba-7049-470d-87b2-8dad672081d2



Yeah exactly, Doesn't even look remotely like the concept. But the new one is a bit closer to what a real "Charger" looks like but they still have work to do. looks like they chopped off about 2 feet off the back of it.

Me neither

Not certain but hearing rumors this 2 door will replace challenger and a 4 door will be made as well. So just a 2dr and 4dr charger, we'll have to wait and see though.

I stand corrected on which vehicle has 14k pre orders. I see all media outlets- legacy and internet/social all giving glowing endorsements about EVs that are not even available to buy. EVs are not coming because the public wants them- they're coming because they're being forced. Just because they're forced does not mean the public wants. Fanboys all remark how the first automobiles were shunned because the horse and buggy was what people liked. The ice automobile overtook the horse and buggy only when Henry Ford made an AFFORDABLE car.... AND private (Yes very rich) individuals invested in selling gasoline at stations (I'm aware there was probably some government subsidies in building the stations). So you had the affordable car and appropriate infrastructure to fuel them and gone was the H&B. EVs have been around for over 100 years- had tons of offered $$ subsidies throughout the past century yet they have not taken off. None of them are affordable and no rich folks are clamoring to invest their money into building recharge stations in any meaningful quantity. Yea they accelerate quickly- more so than the gas car. Big deal. Gas cars are affordable, burn clean (meet government emissions when sold new), can be serviced by the owner and/or numerous shops, can be refueled at one of the 145,000 stations in the US and can be refueled to max in under 5 minutes. Yes ICE vehicles emit pollutants but so do the 3,400 fossil fuel-fired electrical power plants active in the US.

From a business standpoint this seems logical.

Considering that every sedan and coupe offering from Tesla looks like crap and their cars are smoking fast but they don't really advertise the performance, I think this is an absolute home run for Dodge. You know that it will look, feel and go faster because that's FCA's goal. Tesla did the safe thing other than their roadster, which face it, was window dressing. The Charger already looks tons better and actually attempts performance. If they can keep the price even with Tesla, look out.

All that said, I doubt I will ever pony up for an electric vehicle. There are multiple reasons besides the price but I think the biggest one is how they talk to the mother ship and you are completely dependent on the dealer service center for help when the car goes [censored] up in any way.