The Million Rules
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Slew rate, photo cell readers and MSD 7531 are specifically prohibited. The Million
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Re: The Million Rules
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Photocell readers? Would those be for the tree or track position?
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Re: The Million Rules
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Several out there?!?! Like who?
Someone shoot me a PM when they:
A. Actually know what to look for.... B. Actually look for said devices on a car.... C. Actually find said devices on a car....
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Re: The Million Rules
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Several out there?!?! Like who?
Someone shoot me a PM when they:
A. Actually know what to look for.... B. Actually look for said devices on a car.... C. Actually find said devices on a car....
This. 7531 and slew rate info is easy. Tree intercept: Not so much. That being said, the statement IS in the flyer.
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Re: The Million Rules
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Is this the same type of system that some Ohio racers got caught with years ago? Wasn't it called something like Matty Box? Some racers were banned for life?
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Re: The Million Rules
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With all the photocells we use at work, I'm sure I could make a tree reader that would work. Sometimes. The hard part would be filtering out all the background light and keeping it aimed at the tree. Then hiding it. Fortunately I aren't that smart. Don't have a box anyway. I've had lots of people tell me they knew how or knew someone who had done it. I told them to build one, put it in my car, and we'd split all the millions we'd win. No takers yet. In all seriousness, I'm sure there are people who have tried. Now that I think of it, we use little cameras that look for colors........
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Re: The Million Rules
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My local track has the equipment to plug into your system to check for slew rate boxes or at least I was told this by the manager. That I know of it’s never been used.
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Re: The Million Rules
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With all the EFI systems out there today they would need someone well versed in the different software to be able to look around. My EFI box is a homebuilt deal based off of 10+ year old hardware and it has slew rate functions for "perfect run" traction control or whatever nefarious reason you would want to use it for.
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Re: The Million Rules
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With all the photocells we use at work, I'm sure I could make a tree reader that would work. Sometimes. The hard part would be filtering out all the background light and keeping it aimed at the tree. Then hiding it. Fortunately I aren't that smart. Don't have a box anyway. I've had lots of people tell me they knew how or knew someone who had done it. I told them to build one, put it in my car, and we'd split all the millions we'd win. No takers yet. In all seriousness, I'm sure there are people who have tried. Now that I think of it, we use little cameras that look for colors........ It's all unverified stories at this point but one story going around is they were using a video camera from the sidelines aimed at the tree. The camera was linked to the box in the car wirelessly.
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Re: The Million Rules
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Is this the same type of system that some Ohio racers got caught with years ago? Wasn't it called something like Matty Box? Some racers were banned for life? :grin
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Re: The Million Rules
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As Gy3 said there is no rule about bluetooth or wifi connections to the box. If your track has a box to plug in it is for the 7530 box to detect traction control nothing more. Most NHRA type tech inspectors assume a grid with a Can Bus has an ARC module which in not true. For the most part the list given is not anything new but is NEVER enforced. They rarely do any tech at all at these events. Be nice to see someone at least doing basic tech. Hell even NHRA does not tech cars these days. Then as stated there is the whole EFI and its control boxes which for the most part can all do traction control or slew rates. Then there is the whole electric car deal and what they can do that no one would be able to detect. face it if folks want to cheat they will. Looking at results from some of these races and racers sure makes a guy wonder. When someone can string a series of .000 lights in a day and be dead on every run it makes a guy think.
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Re: The Million Rules
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I know lots of guys went back to a MSD 6A box because of what could be done to them.
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Re: The Million Rules
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I know lots of guys went back to a MSD 6A box because of what could be done to them.
And what pray tell might that be? So you basically know a bunch of guys cheating and are ok with it? I have run 6A boxes for 30 years because they just flat work, but I'll quit the day I think about cheating with one.
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Re: The Million Rules
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I know lots of guys went back to a MSD 6A box because of what could be done to them.
And what pray tell might that be? So you basically know a bunch of guys cheating and are ok with it? I have run 6A boxes for 30 years because they just flat work, but I'll quit the day I think about cheating with one. Hold on now I don’t personally know guys that have done it but I’ve heard of lots of guys that did it.
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Re: The Million Rules
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I've had guys tell me if you put a low high side chip in and hit it before the finish line you'll always run dead-on. I asked for an explanation and never received one.
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Re: The Million Rules
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I don't know who or how, but will all the big $$$ races anymore I can almost guarantee you some body is cheating one way or another. Just too much technology out there. Some guys are just flat good and when you race several times a week almost every week of the year I'd hope you'd be a good racer as well. I sometimes wonder about certain drives, especially the ones that don't seem to have a "human" moment and miss the tree or ever go red. The whole switching cars and jacket thing is a little strange. I know a handful of years back a certain good racer broke the rear end in their car. They took a rear from another car at the same event and put in their car to compete the following day. Just thought it was odd to take running car and tear it apart to fix the other car for that one race.
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