Re: Header bolts vs studs. Preferences?
[Re: dssaa]
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What cylinder heads are you using? I’m using studs with aluminum heads, I guess cause studs are stock  It does make installing the headers a little more difficult tho. As long as the actual mating surface is milled flat, there shouldn’t be any problems there. If I recall correctly, my tti’s were nicer than the Hedman’s I took off
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Re: Header bolts vs studs. Preferences?
[Re: dssaa]
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My preference is studs... Makes installing the gasket so much easier, just slide the gasket and header on, put the nuts and torque down. Just my $0.02... 
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Re: Header bolts vs studs. Preferences?
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are the mating surfaces supposed to look like a 2 year old did them? Mine seem flush, but the workmanship looks kind of amateur with uneven weld seams and marks. Is this common?
I assume those are made in China. When I called in June they said they are "in production". I said when will they be ready? He said last September. I'm sure the girl that made them was 12 not 2 though. Use studs wherever you can and bolts in the rest.
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Re: Header bolts vs studs. Preferences?
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Got it! Thanks everyone. Hope to have it running again tomorrow!
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Re: Header bolts vs studs. Preferences?
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Studs, definitely - especially anything that goes into coolant. Agreed....
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Re: Header bolts vs studs. Preferences?
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Remember that part where I said I was afraid to snap off one of the studs......SON OF A B@&*^H! Front passengers side did not make it to 30ft lbs on the torque...snapped clean off. It was the last one I was torquing on the passengers side. Of Course. Sounds like my luck. I just installed a set of Schumacher shortys so I put studs in. One head had one stud in it so I left it alone but I knew it was going to be trouble. After putting in the other 11 studs and torqueing them, I went to put the nut on that pre-existing one and it just sort of fell out. I put a longer stud in it and it threaded in way past the shoulder and I couldn't torque it. Now I'm afraid to torque the nut because it doesn't seem to be getting tighter although the stud isn't turning. I figure I'm down to the last good thread in that hole and don't want to pull that one out too.
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Re: Header bolts vs studs. Preferences?
[Re: Bob Stinson]
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Sounds like my luck.
I just installed a set of Schumacher shortys so I put studs in. One head had one stud in it so I left it alone but I knew it was going to be trouble. After putting in the other 11 studs and torqueing them, I went to put the nut on that pre-existing one and it just sort of fell out. I put a longer stud in it and it threaded in way past the shoulder and I couldn't torque it. Now I'm afraid to torque the nut because it doesn't seem to be getting tighter although the stud isn't turning. I figure I'm down to the last good thread in that hole and don't want to pull that one out too.
i would just helicoil and move on. While I understand the concern of using using bolts in place of studs. I've bee doing do for 50 years without issue. I normally use a high temp sealer (copper or red). Using a wooden Q-tip I put a small amount in the threaded hole and on the end of the bolt, install and "elbow torque". Can't say I remember ever having an issue and if I did, drain the coolant, repeat the above on the offending bolt. Much easier than drilling out a broken stud in the car IMO Most headers I've seen over the years do not give enough clearance to use a regular sized nut and require the bolts with undersize heads 
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Re: Header bolts vs studs. Preferences?
[Re: moparx]
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SBC stud kit hanging on the wall at the speed shop, stud 5/16” nuts were 7/16” hex & 1/4” thread with serrations on the back. They never got loose. Those nuts where great for tight spots too.
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Re: Header bolts vs studs. Preferences?
[Re: AndyF]
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I use a combination of studs different length since they go into water jacket mr gasket makes a 3/8 stud with a 1/4/28 7/16 nut
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Re: Header bolts vs studs. Preferences?
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I use a combination of studs different length since they go into water jacket mr gasket makes a 3/8 stud with a 1/4/28 7/16 nut That’s the one I use
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