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572 Hemi 1x4500 Vanke DP, VS. A&A crossram #3066521
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It’s embedded in an episode of Powernation, of all things.

Comparison starts at 15:30-ish if you want to skip the hoopla and hooey.

https://youtu.be/n89dCwJqbhE

Spoiler alert: the x ram makes more peak torque
The Vanke kills it for top end HP
Runner length?

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Re: 572 Hemi 1x4500 Vanke DP, VS. A&A crossram [Re: ZIPPY] #3066554
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Tree'd....I just posted that a little while ago.....Get back to work on that awesome car of yours...

https://board.moparts.org/ubbthread...rlene-vanke-hemi-intake.html#Post3063095


'70 Cuda,...605 Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown Hemi Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
Re: 572 Hemi 1x4500 Vanke DP, VS. A&A crossram [Re: Dragula] #3066574
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Dangit!! laugh2

I posted it mostly for you to look at.


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Re: 572 Hemi 1x4500 Vanke DP, VS. A&A crossram [Re: ZIPPY] #3066603
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I might switch to one this winter...I need air cleaner clearance. And since I shift around 6200, I think this will work even better than the big single plane, but I am not totally convinced its that good, I kinda need to see it.

If I do it, I am going to mill out the center divider and run an open phenolic spacer though. And If its only -11hp on the top end but +30ft-lbs on the bottom....Good by 1.33 sixty foot.

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'70 Cuda,...605 Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown Hemi Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
Re: 572 Hemi 1x4500 Vanke DP, VS. A&A crossram [Re: Dragula] #3066768
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I have run, inline street Hemi intakes, cross rams and tunnel rams. HEMI'S love to breath. Nothing tops the tunnel ram which is why I run one on mine. No issues on street either with two 1050's. Except maybe fuel mileage......

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Re: 572 Hemi 1x4500 Vanke DP, VS. A&A crossram [Re: ZIPPY] #3066775
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Originally Posted by ZIPPY
It’s embedded in an episode of Powernation, of all things.

Comparison starts at 15:30-ish if you want to skip the hoopla and hooey.

https://youtu.be/n89dCwJqbhE

Spoiler alert: the x ram makes more peak torque
The Vanke kills it for top end HP
Runner length?


I hadn't seen that Vanke intake before. It looks nice. I like the AR Engineering throttle return that they used on there. It wasn't designed for that application but looks like Kenny made it work. Looks like he used parts from two of my kits to make one custom setup.

Re: 572 Hemi 1x4500 Vanke DP, VS. A&A crossram [Re: AndyF] #3066909
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That's the intake I run on my 540 with a ThumperDart modded 1050.


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Re: 572 Hemi 1x4500 Vanke DP, VS. A&A crossram [Re: DaveRS23] #3066914
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Originally Posted by DaveRS23
That's the intake I run on my 540 with a ThumperDart modded 1050.



And.......how does it run? Have you compared it to any other intake.


'70 Cuda,...605 Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown Hemi Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
Re: 572 Hemi 1x4500 Vanke DP, VS. A&A crossram [Re: Dragula] #3066986
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I know most of you have hood clearance issues so most won't run a true TunnelRam. For me clearance is tight but mine just squeaks by, d never run anything but a TunnelRam. It smokes everything else in torque and hp production from start to finish.

Re: 572 Hemi 1x4500 Vanke DP, VS. A&A crossram [Re: Dragula] #3067016
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Originally Posted by Dragula
Originally Posted by DaveRS23
That's the intake I run on my 540 with a ThumperDart modded 1050.



And.......how does it run? Have you compared it to any other intake.


My car is basically a street car. They don't run a King of Street series at the local track anymore, so I haven't been with this combo.

I have posted several times that I broke the engine in on the local speed shop's engine dyno and ran both Indy intakes on it; the open and the dual plane. The dual plane gave up about 11hp up top to the open, but had 30 additional ft lbs of torque. My car now weighs 3,950 with the very heavy World block and 518 tranny, so the extra torque is nice.

The engine is very responsive with few bad habits. It actually drives better than the 500 wedge it replaced while making more steam.


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Re: 572 Hemi 1x4500 Vanke DP, VS. A&A crossram [Re: DaveRS23] #3067025
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I am willing to try one this winter...beats making a custom hood...I have a Sniper Stealth on mine, so it has limited bad habits....I am at 3200lbs even with the big heavy Calais's block....

I have not had it down the track with the Sniper on it, but mid range seemed to improve with it already over the 1250 Dominator.


'70 Cuda,...605 Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown Hemi Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
Re: 572 Hemi 1x4500 Vanke DP, VS. A&A crossram [Re: Dragula] #3067132
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Had a really great conversation with Ken Lazzeri this past weekend and got a first hand look at the DP manifold.

We talked over my whole combination and he never recommended the DP intake, and did not try to
Sell me anything even though I was ogling parts and taking lots of pictures. It still seems like a decent idea to me,
But with so much other work to do I may never get around to it.

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Re: 572 Hemi 1x4500 Vanke DP, VS. A&A crossram [Re: ZIPPY] #3068116
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Can’t post all the pictures at once.

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Re: 572 Hemi 1x4500 Vanke DP, VS. A&A crossram [Re: ZIPPY] #3068132
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I used that intake on a revamp of a 472 Crate. That intake and a 950 rd Gen Dominator with a custom flat tappet picked up 50hp/50tq, I like that intake on a single carb Hemi. J.Rob
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Re: 572 Hemi 1x4500 Vanke DP, VS. A&A crossram [Re: RAMM] #3068139
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Bet its a big improvement over the old stand by M1....Those had horrible distribution.

Looks like a ton of meat in there to port out...Thanks Zippy. Which intake did he recommend?

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'70 Cuda,...605 Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown Hemi Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
Re: 572 Hemi 1x4500 Vanke DP, VS. A&A crossram [Re: Dragula] #3068161
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Either a huge 1x4500 single plane or a tunnel ram.

Pretty sure he dropped the whole street car perspective and was thinking more about big numbers at that point, though,
as he switched the context around slightly at the end of the talk.

I'll still experiment with whatever I can and what makes sense to me, just because I enjoy it.






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Re: 572 Hemi 1x4500 Vanke DP, VS. A&A crossram [Re: ZIPPY] #3068175
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Well, its all going to depend on the gears you pick and the tire height you go with....If its more street, go one way, if its more race, go the other....I know everyone likes to wind the pizz out of a Hemi, but they last longer if you keep it within reason.

I finally got tired of the 4:10 gears, even with a 31" tire and put in 3.73:1 gears....OMG, I should have done that 10 years ago...So now, to hit an rpm where the big single plane makes more HP is a very limited spot....My thought is, I would rather have the extra 30ft-lbs over the 11hp....and have it down low where I can abuse the tires more often.

We have 3.91 gear in our 69 Dart "street car" with a 29 drag radial, and its perfect for the track shifting at 5900-6k, but for the street, its a little much at 3k to hit cruising speed.

You have to decide what is your preference. The big single plane is nice. Distribution is excellent, and so is drivability, so, I guess try one and see...


'70 Cuda,...605 Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown Hemi Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
Re: 572 Hemi 1x4500 Vanke DP, VS. A&A crossram [Re: Dragula] #3068180
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Dragula...that big 426-4 manifold you have on yours really needs to be wound up to run naturally aspirated. A fairly tight converter and no gear will kill it. The Ray Barton single 4500 manifold makes a lot more lowend grunt than the -4 does. The dual plane looks nice, but I bet it'll neuter your big 600" motor enough that it won't go 9s anymore even though it would definitely 60' better.
I tested the 426-3, 426-4, and the Barton manifold on my hemi and got a decent handle on how they all "act". No matter how they look, there's a pretty big difference in all 3 of them. The dual plane would be a good bit below the 426-3 in my opinion. All lowend and nothing upstairs on anything fairly sporty.


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Re: 572 Hemi 1x4500 Vanke DP, VS. A&A crossram [Re: an8sec70cuda] #3068185
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Originally Posted by an8sec70cuda
Dragula...that big 426-4 manifold you have on yours really needs to be wound up to run naturally aspirated. A fairly tight converter and no gear will kill it. The Ray Barton single 4500 manifold makes a lot more lowend grunt than the -4 does. The dual plane looks nice, but I bet it'll neuter your big 600" motor enough that it won't go 9s anymore even though it would definitely 60' better.
I tested the 426-3, 426-4, and the Barton manifold on my hemi and got a decent handle on how they all "act". No matter how they look, there's a pretty big difference in all 3 of them. The dual plane would be a good bit below the 426-3 in my opinion. All lowend and nothing upstairs on anything fairly sporty.


I hear you....How about if I do this to it....Although, I would go a bit further and mill the divider down even more...

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'70 Cuda,...605 Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown Hemi Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
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