Re: Alum Main Cap preference for RB build
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08/07/22 12:57 AM
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I don't like and won't use a stock 440 block for a hot street build over 700 HP due to the main webbing being weak, to thin.  I suggest finding a decent 400 block that mags and sonic tests good and use it with a 440 Source aluminum main caps and ARP main studs, have them fitted to your block and go have some fun without worrying about running over the crankshaft after several runs, My last 400 S/P stroker build was 505 C.I. with 15.0 to 1 compression for racing with E 85, it had a set of Indy 440-1 CNC ported with an Indy 400-3 intake and Holley 1150 CFM Dominator converted to E 85 by A.J. at Bob George racing. I had that motor in a chrome moly tube chassis 1970 Cuda with 4 link rear suspension with an A arm front suspension with coil overs, double adjustable shocks on all four corners, it weighed 2850 Lbs. with me in it ready to race. It had a Powerglide in it along with a Dana 60 with 40 spline Mark Willaims axles and spool, 4.56 gears  Best1/4-mile ET was 8.862 at 150..+(CRS  ) MPH in July at Woodburn's Mopar race two years ago, best 1/8 mile was 5.50 at 125.6 MPH at Madras last August: boogie: it would 60 ft in the low 1.21 up to 1.30 depending on the track and weather  it would set me way back in the seat off the trans brake 
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Re: Alum Main Cap preference for RB build
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08/08/22 10:20 AM
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the aluminum caps solve a couple of problems. 1 they add strength to the caps as the aluminum is stronger than the cast iron factory caps. 2. the caps help decrease cap walk, for further stregnth add the girdle to hold the caps down even more. our caps are made taller so the girdle has direct contact with them. the main problem on the big block is the main webbing breaks when theres alot of power. So the aluminum helps absorb some shock and keeps it out of the webbing? A billet cap could accomplish the “stronger, less cap walk” goal? I don’t even know if billet steel caps exist.
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Re: Alum Main Cap preference for RB build
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08/08/22 10:46 AM
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the aluminum caps solve a couple of problems. 1 they add strength to the caps as the aluminum is stronger than the cast iron factory caps. 2. the caps help decrease cap walk, for further stregnth add the girdle to hold the caps down even more. our caps are made taller so the girdle has direct contact with them. the main problem on the big block is the main webbing breaks when theres alot of power. So the aluminum helps absorb some shock and keeps it out of the webbing? A billet cap could accomplish the “stronger, less cap walk” goal? I don’t even know if billet steel caps exist. Yes they somewhat absorb the shock but they can still walk if you throw enough power at them. Adding the girdle helps with the walk as helps limit the flexing, they are basically a bandaid. I thought that the crossbolted cap was the answer, and liked that Indy crossbolted all 5 caps was a great idea till I saw the carnage that Steve Morris showed recently on his youtube channel of his SMX engine having all 8 rods shatter at almost 8000 rpm and the crank still able to rotate, his block design has splayed cap bolts into the main webbing. I can't say if a crossbolted block would have had the same results? Mopar at one time had a ductile iron cap available as a replacement for the cast iron caps. I scooped up a couple sets before they went NS1 , one set I used , the other set are hiding somewhere .
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Re: Alum Main Cap preference for RB build
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08/08/22 02:20 PM
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I used to use the Mopar brand ductile iron main caps on my engine builds that would make over 700 HP, they wouldn't stop the stock 440 blocks from cracking in the main webs between the bottoms of the cylinders into the mains  When Mopar quit selling them I looked into what replacement main caps were available and ended up choosing the 440 Source aluminum main caps with their ARP main studs and I have not had a failure in 15 yrs.  Milidon sells steel caps, but I don't use them due to the expansion rate differences between cast iron and steel: work: The 400 blocks don't crack in the main webbings, and they have a bigger bore to start with than any other Mopar B or RB blocks also  Your best bet on making a safe drag race engine using a Mopar wedge type block is a new one in aluminum or cast grey iron: up  : scope: Buy a KB, World, Bill Mitchel or whoever else you can get a new block from 
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Re: Alum Main Cap preference for RB build
[Re: FastmOp]
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08/09/22 01:11 PM
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My alum block has steel caps lmfao All of the aluminum BB and street Hemi Mopar's blocks I've worked on had steel caps also: work:
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