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572-13 head flow-by flow tech 2 #3061746
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Larry Smith of flow tech 2 did these beautiful ports. I know little about all the ins and outs of what makes power, but trust Todd of Marsh Performance to steer me in the right direction. The numbers came back, and look good to me. If you compare them to the 440-1 numbers , looks very promising. I run a . 848 net lift cam for help in comparison. The jesel gear arrived, pistons are supposed to arrive tomorrow.

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Re: 572-13 head flow-by flow tech 2 [Re: gregsdart] #3061818
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It will be interesting to see how they stack up on the other flowbench.


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Originally Posted by pittsburghracer
It will be interesting to see how they stack up on the other flowbench.
it will for sure. Since you port heads, a little info on valve angles. No back cut on either intake or exhaust. I was told a back cut brought up the flow up to . 100, but a net loss occurred in the midrange. So i was told don't let anyone change that.


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Originally Posted by gregsdart
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It will be interesting to see how they stack up on the other flowbench.
it will for sure. Since you port heads, a little info on valve angles. No back cut on either intake or exhaust. I was told a back cut brought up the flow up to . 100, but a net loss occurred in the midrange. So i was told don't let anyone change that.





I went to a two day theory only class on head porting years ago and Darren Morgan recommended putting a 30 degree back cut on everything and his reasoning was it will never hurt and usually help. Like I said that was years ago so that thinking may have changed. He has some really good videos on YouTube that I have shared and guys really enjoy them. I have never watched them because by now I know how I want to go about it and after 100’s of flow tests Im kinda set in my ways. I prefer to do it at least on the intake valves. The 30-45 minutes that he spent on the exhaust side was worth the 600.00 plus the 300.00 I spent to take my son.


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Re: 572-13 head flow-by flow tech 2 [Re: pittsburghracer] #3061945
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Here is a pic of the valves. Maybe it is unique to these ports? I am not into head porting other than paying for it. So it is mostly a mystery to me.

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Re: 572-13 head flow-by flow tech 2 [Re: gregsdart] #3062002
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What you said is exactly what happened here. Larry did a flow test with back cut valves, (ones I had) and found exactly that. Small gain down low but gives it all back in the mid range. NOT saying that would happen with every valve and port combo but on these that is what happened so hence no backcut. Todd
He will talk to you about anything you have questions about or I will try to answer them.

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Originally Posted by sasquatch
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What you said is exactly what happened here. Larry did a flow test with back cut valves, (ones I had) and found exactly that. Small gain down low but gives it all back in the mid range. NOT saying that would happen with every valve and port combo but on these that is what happened so hence no backcut. Todd
He will talk to you about anything you have questions about or I will try to answer them.

Thanks Todd. I think about a similar situation where 30 degree seats work well in some situations, like pontiacs. But mopars and others do well with 45 degree seats, and some high rpm high duration combos want steeper seat angles. It all goes to show that there are no tried and true rules, just trends.


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The work looks great to me. I have no idea how the engine will run but the parts look super nice.

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The porting looks top-notch to me. I also agree with not back cutting intake OR exhaust valves. On the heads I do, it helps at low lifts but hurts high lifts, the exact opposite of what you want. The only time it might be beneficial is with stock lift camshafts when you need the flow any way you can get it.

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Larry Smith was a head porter at Penske Racing for many years??


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Originally Posted by LA360
Larry Smith was a head porter at Penske Racing for many years??
i know he was working for a nascar team, can't recall who.


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Yes it was Penske South. The cup shop. He has also ported probably close to a hundred sets of Indy heads for me and I cannot count how many others. Todd

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Nice stuff Greg.

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R&R flow numbers. Top numbers are from my 440-1 heads, R&Rs bench. Two ports tested,note differences.

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I guess that shows you a back cut valve is the way to go.


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Re: 572-13 head flow-by flow tech 2 [Re: pittsburghracer] #3064448
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Looks to me like pretty substantial gains from the back cut thru .700 lift.

The crossover point is probably around .750” lift.


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Originally Posted by fast68plymouth
Looks to me like pretty substantial gains from the back cut thru .700 lift.

The crossover point is probably around .750” lift.

I agree, it LOOKS like the back cut is the way to go, but look at the duration at various lifts with the cam i have. My guess is a cam of .800
net lift like Indy suggests might do well with a back cut? No back cut, 205 and 213 duration at .200 lobe lift, gross lift .868 might fair better
Since the port stalls before .700 lift. Only way to tell is run it, swap to back cut valves after getting a baseline.
The duration at valve lifts is net, after lash is accounted for.

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I wonder how much actual CFM flows through the motor at or below 3/4 max lift work shruggy


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Originally Posted by Cab_Burge
I wonder how much actual CFM flows through the motor at or below 3/4 max lift work shruggy
that works out to about half the valve event, time wise. Another question to ponder- if a port goes turbulent, does the turbulance continue as the valve starts to close, causing a net loss of potential cylinder fill at lower lifts, end of the induction cycle? Makes me think of a cattle stampede heading for a narrow gate,,,,,,, it may not end well!

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Very nice hardware, Greg! Can’t wait to hear the results when the time slip prints! It’s gonna ride for sure LOL!


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