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Re: Would this trans line setup pass tech at your track? [Re: Al_Alguire] #3062422
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You got any tricks you want to share on installing that type of push on hose luck
I can never get the hose flush with the fittings whiney shruggy


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Re: Would this trans line setup pass tech at your track? [Re: Cab_Burge] #3062433
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Originally Posted by Cab_Burge
You got any tricks you want to share on installing that type of push on hose luck
I can never get the hose flush with the fittings whiney shruggy


They say to dunk it in very hot water to soften it up some. shruggy Been a long time since I've fooled with it, and then it was very little.

Someone makes a spiffy tool to put them together too.

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Re: Would this trans line setup pass tech at your track? [Re: Al_Alguire] #3062437
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Originally Posted by Al_Alguire
Wovn pushlock is very good hose...But does not use a hoseclamp boogie


I used Aeroquip black pushlock on my car. No clamps, No issues. In the assembly plant there was many miles of blue pushlock but their standard procedure had double eared Oetiker clamps on every fitting. Insurance I guess.


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Re: Would this trans line setup pass tech at your track? [Re: Brad_Haak] #3062464
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Mine was (actually is) metal hard lines out of the trans, to about 18" or so away from b&m super cooler, formed a bubble at the end of each line to create a barb, hose clamped reinforced rubber trans cooler hose, to NPT barb fittings on the cooler, clamped there too. I never had any problems with it. The few tech people that wanted the hood open were all fixated on the fuel lines and the battery which was never moved to the back.

It's been fine since around 2002/2004 or whatever year it was I did it, but looks like I will have a chance to do it again soon b/c of the rebuild, and will come up with a better arrangement.





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Re: Would this trans line setup pass tech at your track? [Re: Cab_Burge] #3062850
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Originally Posted by Cab_Burge
You got any tricks you want to share on installing that type of push on hose luck
I can never get the hose flush with the fittings whiney shruggy


This is the way I do it - set the fitting/hose end into aluminum vice jaws and lube/grease the barb that goes into the hose. (I've used Russell hose assembly lube but a thin film of regular grease should be OK). Use a heat gun on the hose material and once it's hot enough push it on to the barb. Gotta work quick though, the material cools quickly and then it can be tough to get it on all the way. Be smart about it, don't cook the hose, use the low setting on the gun and move it around. Hot water does not work as well as the gun, I tried it. I've done it with the heat gun many times over the years, no leaks. Before I used the gun, I researched whether direct heat would have a negative effect on the material (I use Aeroquip hose) but it's good to 300º, I'm not heating it up that high. Water boils at 212º...

If you're going to do a lot of plumbing, might want to invest in this thing.

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Re: Would this trans line setup pass tech at your track? [Re: RMCHRGR] #3062989
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No tricks cab just small amount of lube, we actually use a dedicated hose assemble lube but any lite oil woudl work, even WD could work, you could warm the hose up with hot water bath or a heat gun but so far I have not needed to but we rarely use the stuff unless for customer.


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Re: Would this trans line setup pass tech at your track? [Re: Al_Alguire] #3063023
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I've been using the Fragola black hose with PTFE and their other liner, I would like see the hose push all the way on each fitting up to the sealing ring (thingy) so it looks better work
I do have the Koul assembly blocks for stainless covered hoses and they work great wrench up


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Re: Would this trans line setup pass tech at your track? [Re: Cab_Burge] #3063026
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I was going to buy a Koul tool set originally, until I saw that it doesn't work w/ the PTFE-lined hose setup. Then I saw about an equal number of people saying their PTFE fittings installed w/o issue vs those saying they weren't able to get 'em in and/or they were a major PITA. I was still good w/ the idea of the hose upgrade, so my solution was to measure the original rubber hoses lengths and buy two pre-assembled PTFE-type hoses in the next length up from them.


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Re: Would this trans line setup pass tech at your track? [Re: ZIPPY] #3063028
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Originally Posted by ZIPPY
Mine was (actually is) metal hard lines out of the trans, to about 18" or so away from b&m super cooler, formed a bubble at the end of each line to create a barb, hose clamped reinforced rubber trans cooler hose, to NPT barb fittings on the cooler, clamped there too.

That's my setup now, other than my trans-spec rubber hoses are closer to 36" long. Never had issues, but gonna upgrade for peace of mind.


2021 Challenger 6.4L Scat Pack 1320 (2022)
100% stock: 1.680, 11.894 at 113.75 (DA 175 ft)
wheels, tires, air filter: 1.714, 11.833 at 115.80 (DA 310 ft)

1973 Challenger 452 ci street/strip (2008)
pump gas, DOT radials: 1.454, 10.523 at 126.44 (DA 514 ft)
Re: Would this trans line setup pass tech at your track? [Re: Al_Alguire] #3063362
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Originally Posted by Al_Alguire
No tricks cab just small amount of lube, we actually use a dedicated hose assemble lube but any lite oil woudl work, even WD could work, you could warm the hose up with hot water bath or a heat gun but so far I have not needed to but we rarely use the stuff unless for customer.

In a pinch spit works better than nothing. I've done it that way more than once. Silicone spray works better whistling


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Re: Would this trans line setup pass tech at your track? [Re: GomangoCuda] #3063370
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Re: Would this trans line setup pass tech at your track? [Re: pittsburghracer] #3063413
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After I discovered Swagelok / Ridgid roller benders and Mastercool / SURR hydraulic flaring tools there's nothing else I'd ever use. It's an investment in tools but I've never regretted using nice tools. Spent 24years making brake, fuel, trans lines with screw type flare tools and dreading it. These tools make it fun.

https://www.amazon.com/MASTERCOOL-72475-PRC-Universal-Hydraulic-Flaring/dp/B01NCYKQSN

https://www.amazon.com/3M-Auto-Parts-PFT409-Fittings/dp/B0792KXDP9/ref=sr_1_7?keywords=sur%26r+flaring+tool&qid=1659050950&sprefix=sur%26r+fla%2Caps%2C129&sr=8-7

https://www.amazon.com/Handheld-Straightener-Portable-Universal-Straightening/dp/B09ZQY6RG9/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=3%2F8+tube+straightener&qid=1659051025&sprefix=3%2F8+tube+s%2Caps%2C151&sr=8-5

https://www.amazon.com/S-U-R-BREZ400-Roll-Brake-Tubing/dp/B008BRHCG4/ref=sr_1_1?crid=19FDDXRDQU7RO&keywords=3%2F8+sur%26r&qid=1659051051&sprefix=3%2F8+sur%26r%2Caps%2C123&sr=8-1

Learn to use these tools and you wont need any rubber in a trans line. On a fuel line the only flexible line would jump from the frame to the engine.

Re: Would this trans line setup pass tech at your track? [Re: MoonshineMattK] #3063486
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Re: Would this trans line setup pass tech at your track? [Re: A990] #3063550
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That NiCu tubing is butter soft and easy to bend. The bad part is, it's butter soft and easy to bend. Has no rigidity and won't hold it's shape, or it's straightness.

I don't want to use clamps every 6 inches, or have stuff look like limp spaghetti and/or get knocked out of shape easily I've been using the steel Bundy-Flex stuff forever. Roll it out, straighten it. Use good benders, Holds it's shape when you bend it up.


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Thanks! Not sure what I keep doing wrong?

Re: Would this trans line setup pass tech at your track? [Re: MoonshineMattK] #3063711
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You have to edit the link after you paste it. Get rid of the green text. It's kind of slow going on a phone since you will have to backspace to erase it all

https://www.amazon.com/3M-Auto-Parts-PFT409-Fittings/dp/B0792KXDP9/ref=sr_1_7?keywords=sur%26r+flaring+tool&qid=1659050950&sprefix=sur%26r+fla%2Caps%2C129&sr=8-7

Wow. The color coder broke the string, learned something new here. Anyway, hope this helps

Re: Would this trans line setup pass tech at your track? [Re: CMcAllister] #3066885
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Originally Posted by CMcAllister
That NiCu tubing is butter soft and easy to bend. The bad part is, it's butter soft and easy to bend. Has no rigidity and won't hold it's shape, or it's straightness.

I don't want to use clamps every 6 inches, or have stuff look like limp spaghetti and/or get knocked out of shape easily I've been using the steel Bundy-Flex stuff forever. Roll it out, straighten it. Use good benders, Holds it's shape when you bend it up.


3/16 line is definitely soft but I've not had issues with it losing shape. 1/4 5/16 and 3/8 are plenty stiff.
I'm not sure what costs more, fancy braided line or good flaring tools and benders.

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Originally Posted by A990
You have to edit the link after you paste it. Get rid of the green text. It's kind of slow going on a phone since you will have to backspace to erase it all

https://www.amazon.com/3M-Auto-Parts-PFT409-Fittings/dp/B0792KXDP9/ref=sr_1_7?keywords=sur%26r+flaring+tool&qid=1659050950&sprefix=sur%26r+fla%2Caps%2C129&sr=8-7

Wow. The color coder broke the string, learned something new here. Anyway, hope this helps


Thank you! Took me a minute but that finally makes sense.

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