Re: It could save you II (Autotopia 64 Merc Comet Crash)
[Re: Exit1965]
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07/13/22 03:32 PM
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GY3
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We had a (former) friend that was doing burnouts on the pad in front of his garage. The kickdown rod over-centered and stuck the throttle wide open.
He rode the brakes all the way into the first bay of the garage and halfway into the second bay before hitting his two post lift!
Brakes were useless with skinny tires up front and the engine pulling at full throttle.
Last edited by GY3; 07/13/22 03:40 PM.
'63 Dodge 330 11.19 @ 121 mph Pump gas, n/a, through the mufflers on street tires with 3.54's. 3,600 lbs. 10.01 @ 133mph with a 250 shot of nitrous an a splash of race gas. 1.36 60 ft. 3,700 lbs.
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Re: It could save you II (Autotopia 64 Merc Comet Crash)
[Re: GY3]
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07/13/22 03:37 PM
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Jeremiah
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Mayday! De-energize the ignition captain!
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Re: It could save you II (Autotopia 64 Merc Comet Crash)
[Re: Jeremiah]
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07/13/22 03:38 PM
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GY3
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Mayday! De-energize the ignition captain! First thing I said when a friend sent this video!
'63 Dodge 330 11.19 @ 121 mph Pump gas, n/a, through the mufflers on street tires with 3.54's. 3,600 lbs. 10.01 @ 133mph with a 250 shot of nitrous an a splash of race gas. 1.36 60 ft. 3,700 lbs.
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Re: It could save you II (Autotopia 64 Merc Comet Crash)
[Re: GY3]
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07/13/22 03:43 PM
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Hemi_Joel
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He did something with the shifter. Neutral?
[img]http://i.imgur.com/boeexFms.jpg[/img]31 Plymouth Coupe, 392 Hemi, T56 magnum RS23J71 RS27J77 RP23J71 RO23J71 WM21J8A “Never argue with a fool; onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.” – Mark Twain "Stay away from negative people. They have a problem for every solution."
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Re: It could save you II (Autotopia 64 Merc Comet Crash)
[Re: CMcAllister]
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07/13/22 04:53 PM
07/13/22 04:53 PM
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moparacer
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Cliff notes? Pushrod fell out? Brakes just didn't work right? Billy Bob designed the system? Couldn't get it bled? Looked like a lawn sprinkler when he pushed the pedal?
I was thinking since they could smell the brakes and he was riding them (stupid) they overheated, fluid boiled, pedal hit the floor and the rest is history. Just a guess and could be wrong but is possible.
67 Barracuda street/bracket car 11.27-119 68 Dart 502 BB 8.70s-152 414 cid SB Dragster 7.65-174
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Re: It could save you II (Autotopia 64 Merc Comet Crash)
[Re: B1MAXX]
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07/13/22 08:28 PM
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Mr PotatoHead
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Why no master cutoff? Hit neutral and let it bounce off the limiter or blow. Mention of the funny/complex shifter.... I know first hand a pro built 727 slammed into reverse at 50 mph will stall the motor and the wheel hop will help brake the car. 
STOP POTATO HATE!
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Re: It could save you II (Autotopia 64 Merc Comet Crash)
[Re: Mr PotatoHead]
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07/13/22 09:45 PM
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Yes he should have dropped it into low and killed the ignition but the result would have been the same. It wouldn't have mattered what kind of downshifting, ignition killing, neutral or reverse engaging he would have done. In the short time and distance from when he realized that the brakes were not going to work by pumping them and he realized that the left turn lane became blocked, until the time they crashed, he might have been able to scrub off 1 or 2 miles an hour. The crash was inevitable at that point. The whole key was that he should not have been riding the brakes to control the speed when the throttle was stuck. Especially after they smelt the brakes burning. He should have pulled over and got the throttle fixed. Or he should have popped it into neutral occasionally as they were trying to limp back to the shop to control the speed. I listened to the analysis and q and a session of it by them on YouTube on my way home from work. I had to turn YouTube up to 1.5 times speed to make it tolerable. But anyway one thing I found out about that guy from the passenger seat, who I've never heard of before, he knows little to anything about cars, at least about how they work. I think he said he's only been a car guy for about a year. If most any of us would have been in that passenger seat we would have figured out what the driver was doing. And we would have put a stop to it.
[img]http://i.imgur.com/boeexFms.jpg[/img]31 Plymouth Coupe, 392 Hemi, T56 magnum RS23J71 RS27J77 RP23J71 RO23J71 WM21J8A “Never argue with a fool; onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.” – Mark Twain "Stay away from negative people. They have a problem for every solution."
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Re: It could save you II (Autotopia 64 Merc Comet Crash)
[Re: Cab_Burge]
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07/14/22 07:50 AM
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I have thought of installing a solenoid in the electrical system main cable , with a big red panic button, or a morse cable that would go from drivers area to the master cutoff switch. There is a huge safety advantage in being able to shut down the electrical system from the drivers seat . The other advantage is i would never have to unbuckle to turn on power when i forget to do so before getting in the car. That and making sure ALL circuits are properly fuzzed. If the button or lever are right in the shifter area, power could even be cut before impact, if the driver is quick. That would greatly reduce the chance of fire, or run away due to a stuck throttle. I had a throttle partially stick open in the traps once. Luckily i was at BIR in Minnesota, which has a very long shutdown, being a part of a large road race course.
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Re: It could save you II (Autotopia 64 Merc Comet Crash)
[Re: B Dartman]
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07/15/22 08:39 AM
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My throttle stuck on the big end at Cecil County one pass... good thing that place has a long shutdown. I did remember to turn off the ignition when I figured it it wasn't slowing down, but still pulled over to the side with a big  look on my face. Turned out the rubber gasket between the fresh air plate and the carb had worked its way out somehow and got sucked down into the carb. Had that happened on the street, it could have been a very different outcome. Regardless, I still can't say anything about the subject in the video w/o coming across like a snarky a-hole.
2021 Challenger 6.4L Scat Pack 1320 (2022) 100% stock: 1.680, 11.894 at 113.75 (DA 175 ft) wheels, tires, air filter: 1.714, 11.833 at 115.80 (DA 310 ft)
1973 Challenger 452 ci street/strip (2008) pump gas, DOT radials: 1.454, 10.523 at 126.44 (DA 514 ft)
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