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Re: It could save you II (Autotopia 64 Merc Comet Crash) [Re: Exit1965] #3058934
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We had a (former) friend that was doing burnouts on the pad in front of his garage. The kickdown rod over-centered and stuck the throttle wide open.

He rode the brakes all the way into the first bay of the garage and halfway into the second bay before hitting his two post lift!

Brakes were useless with skinny tires up front and the engine pulling at full throttle.

Last edited by GY3; 07/13/22 03:40 PM.

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Re: It could save you II (Autotopia 64 Merc Comet Crash) [Re: GY3] #3058939
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Mayday! De-energize the ignition captain!



Re: It could save you II (Autotopia 64 Merc Comet Crash) [Re: Jeremiah] #3058940
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Originally Posted by Jeremiah
Mayday! De-energize the ignition captain!


First thing I said when a friend sent this video!


'63 Dodge 330
11.19 @ 121 mph
Pump gas, n/a, through the mufflers on street tires with 3.54's. 3,600 lbs.
10.01 @ 133mph with a 250 shot of nitrous an a splash of race gas. 1.36 60 ft. 3,700 lbs.

Re: It could save you II (Autotopia 64 Merc Comet Crash) [Re: GY3] #3058942
07/13/22 03:43 PM
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He did something with the shifter. Neutral?


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Re: It could save you II (Autotopia 64 Merc Comet Crash) [Re: Hemi_Joel] #3058976
07/13/22 04:46 PM
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He should have put in neutral as soon as he knew he couldn't stop it, let the motor rev until you can shut the ignition or fuel pump off twocents


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Re: It could save you II (Autotopia 64 Merc Comet Crash) [Re: CMcAllister] #3058980
07/13/22 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by CMcAllister
Cliff notes? Pushrod fell out? Brakes just didn't work right? Billy Bob designed the system? Couldn't get it bled? Looked like a lawn sprinkler when he pushed the pedal?



I was thinking since they could smell the brakes and he was riding them (stupid) they overheated, fluid boiled, pedal hit the floor and the rest is history.

Just a guess and could be wrong but is possible.


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Re: It could save you II (Autotopia 64 Merc Comet Crash) [Re: moparacer] #3058999
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That face plant into the dash must have hurt. Feel sorry for the passenger.

Re: It could save you II (Autotopia 64 Merc Comet Crash) [Re: Hemi_Joel] #3059005
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I think it was a race type shifter and he was having trouble operating it in panic mode. I'm not sure if ever got it shifted since some of those shifters need to have a gate lifted to move forwards. Neither guy thought of turning off the ignition. It sounds like they knew the throttle was stuck and had been riding the brakes but evidently neither guy thought about the next steps to take such as turn the ignition off, pull over, shift into neutral, shift into reverse, etc. Since they had not thought it out before then when panic hit they couldn't think so they just drove it into the back of a stopped car. The car might have had an emergency brake but neither guy said anything about it or tried to apply it. The driver panicked and drove it into a stopped car.

Re: It could save you II (Autotopia 64 Merc Comet Crash) [Re: AndyF] #3059022
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He stuck it in park and it broke the park sprague, you can hear it buzzing away.

Re: It could save you II (Autotopia 64 Merc Comet Crash) [Re: B1MAXX] #3059025
07/13/22 08:28 PM
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Why no master cutoff?

Hit neutral and let it bounce off the limiter or blow.

Mention of the funny/complex shifter.... I know first hand a pro built 727 slammed into reverse at 50 mph will stall the motor and the wheel hop will help brake the car. whistling


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Re: It could save you II (Autotopia 64 Merc Comet Crash) [Re: Mr PotatoHead] #3059040
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Yes he should have dropped it into low and killed the ignition but the result would have been the same. It wouldn't have mattered what kind of downshifting, ignition killing, neutral or reverse engaging he would have done. In the short time and distance from when he realized that the brakes were not going to work by pumping them and he realized that the left turn lane became blocked, until the time they crashed, he might have been able to scrub off 1 or 2 miles an hour. The crash was inevitable at that point. The whole key was that he should not have been riding the brakes to control the speed when the throttle was stuck. Especially after they smelt the brakes burning. He should have pulled over and got the throttle fixed. Or he should have popped it into neutral occasionally as they were trying to limp back to the shop to control the speed. I listened to the analysis and q and a session of it by them on YouTube on my way home from work. I had to turn YouTube up to 1.5 times speed to make it tolerable. But anyway one thing I found out about that guy from the passenger seat, who I've never heard of before, he knows little to anything about cars, at least about how they work. I think he said he's only been a car guy for about a year. If most any of us would have been in that passenger seat we would have figured out what the driver was doing. And we would have put a stop to it.


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Re: It could save you II (Autotopia 64 Merc Comet Crash) [Re: Hemi_Joel] #3059048
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The shifter looked like an old B&M Star Shifter.

Let just say that was a difficult shifter to get anything done quickly.

I truly enjoyed the driver bracing himself and turning his head. Unbelievable stupidty on full display.

Driver is still an idiot.

When I first started driving I remember 3 things that my parents told us when learning. One was don't assume anyone is going to follow what the turn signal was indicating. Second, when turning left across lanes of traffic, keep the wheels straight until you start to make the turn in case you get tagged from behind... don't want to end up in opposite direction of traffic lanes. Third, the sudden test of THE THROTTLE IS STUCK OPEN!!! what do you do??? click it off. Had a few times the parents let you have it with that line, but it sticks with you. What's the old saying, practice makes perfect. Same as pilot simulations. That yelling the throttle was stuck saved my rear twice, once when my 70 6 pack GTX stuck wide open. Calmly clicked it off.

Re: It could save you II (Autotopia 64 Merc Comet Crash) [Re: Cab_Burge] #3059110
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I have thought of installing a solenoid in the electrical system main cable , with a big red panic button, or a morse cable that would go from drivers area to the master cutoff switch. There is a huge safety advantage in being able to shut down the electrical system from the drivers seat . The other advantage is i would never have to unbuckle to turn on power when i forget to do so before getting in the car. That and making sure ALL circuits are properly fuzzed. If the button or lever are right in the shifter area, power could even be cut before impact, if the driver is quick. That would greatly reduce the chance of fire, or run away due to a stuck throttle. I had a throttle partially stick open in the traps once. Luckily i was at BIR in Minnesota, which has a very long shutdown, being a part of a large road race course.


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Re: It could save you II (Autotopia 64 Merc Comet Crash) [Re: gregsdart] #3059133
07/14/22 09:43 AM
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Sad to see such a beautiful car destroyed and hope everyone involved has fully recovered. Why weren't these guys wearing seat belts? Driver inexperience played a role in the severity that crash, some lessons are hard learned.

Having experienced brake failure on a couple occasions is why I used Wilwood's rear disk kit with the internal parking brake.

Re: It could save you II (Autotopia 64 Merc Comet Crash) [Re: GY3] #3059323
07/14/22 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by GY3
We had a (former) friend that was doing burnouts on the pad in front of his garage. The kickdown rod over-centered and stuck the throttle wide open.

He rode the brakes all the way into the first bay of the garage and halfway into the second bay before hitting his two post lift!

Brakes were useless with skinny tires up front and the engine pulling at full throttle.


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Re: It could save you II (Autotopia 64 Merc Comet Crash) [Re: B Dartman] #3059351
07/15/22 08:39 AM
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My throttle stuck on the big end at Cecil County one pass... good thing that place has a long shutdown. I did remember to turn off the ignition when I figured it it wasn't slowing down, but still pulled over to the side with a big confused look on my face.

Turned out the rubber gasket between the fresh air plate and the carb had worked its way out somehow and got sucked down into the carb. Had that happened on the street, it could have been a very different outcome.

Regardless, I still can't say anything about the subject in the video w/o coming across like a snarky a-hole.

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