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Re: My Low Mileage A12 & Frustrations with BaT. [Re: McCandlessboy] #3058089
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Originally Posted by McCandlessboy
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I’d tell BaT to go to hell. I know a seller that got strong armed into listing a 69 rr vert for no reserve and it missed what they were told it should do by quite a lot. That site is a wonky place, with stronger mopar cars not doing well, while stuff with shady backgrounds out does what any seasoned mopar guy would predict. Too many options these days to get caught in that wormhole. Look elsewhere.


Here are the 3 69 Road Runner convertibles that have sold on there, only 1 of them was no reserve. Was his car the total project 383 car? If so, I'm not sure what a realistic expectation would have been on a total project car like that.


Nope, it was the blue one. It went no reserve. They had assured that guy his car would do 52k or more and pushed for no reserve. You can see he was engaged as can be, even took extra videos for the jackals. Now if you shill stuff you can hope for somebody to get auction fever and drop in. That works on there. An honest guy best get a reserve or take his business elsewhere.



His auction wasn't no reserve. If he sold it, it's because he thought that was the correct price. The rear quarter of that car doesn't match the rest of the car, which is disclosed in the description. That's why it didn't bring the money.


So it was. He was hung up on what bat told him it’d do and cost himself a sale to me for more than he got. That was just one example. As stated, if they balk at a reserve, taking your car elsewhere is no big deal. Too many places these days to allow a venue to dictate to you.


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Re: My Low Mileage A12 & Frustrations with BaT. [Re: migsBIG] #3058095
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Originally Posted by migsBIG
Originally Posted by BigDaddy440

Mecum has an auction near me in 5 weeks and they let me know they'd be happy to add it to the auction if I registered it soon. Not sure if that's enough time for people to become aware of the car. They have an online vehicle catalog that bidders view prior to the auction.


If tat is wen Monterey car week, I would pass on Mecum. That show is for high end exotics and modern specialty cars. I know of at least 4 friends whom tried to sell decent muscle cars there and did not meet reserve.



Thank you Migs. I've decided that if the car goes to Mecum, it will not be the Monterey Show.


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Re: My Low Mileage A12 & Frustrations with BaT. [Re: BigDaddy440] #3058096
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If listed properly, with the right category, eBay is cheap, less than $200.00 to sell a car regardless of what it sells for. Put it in the wrong category, you will pay handsomely!!

https://www.ebay.com/help/selling/fees-credits-invoices/motors-fees?id=4127

Re: My Low Mileage A12 & Frustrations with BaT. [Re: TBTA] #3058099
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Originally Posted by TBTA
Not trying to hijack this thread but does anyone have any knowledge of the A12 Super Bee from a consigner in Illinois? Green/White interior car that seems over priced but looks to be really nice. It's on ebay and just keeps getting renewed. $149,900.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/284888235898?


TBTA,

That's a beautiful A12 Superbee Coupe. I hadn't seen it before. Seems to be a very complete / correct restoration.


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Re: My Low Mileage A12 & Frustrations with BaT. [Re: BigDaddy440] #3058102
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Originally Posted by BigDaddy440
Originally Posted by TBTA
Not trying to hijack this thread but does anyone have any knowledge of the A12 Super Bee from a consigner in Illinois? Green/White interior car that seems over priced but looks to be really nice. It's on ebay and just keeps getting renewed. $149,900.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/284888235898?


TBTA,

That's a beautiful A12 Superbee Coupe. I hadn't seen it before. Seems to be a very complete / correct restoration.


Very pretty looking car.

It's got a lot of little things. Fairly correctable. Seems like done by non mopar shop.

UCA cam adjuster nuts wrong (too long)
steering column adapter painted black
lot of generic silver cad bolts used throughout car
missing front sway bar
LCA not finished right
4 speed pedal pads off a 62-65 B-body i think. Do those fit on 68-70 pedals? or does this car have 62-65 pedal assy?
quarter panel to door jam join blended together
body character lines in quarters don't look crisp. Maybe to much 2-stage paint, prep for paint, repro panels?... something odd.
pcv grommet should be painted,
wrong vin rivets
trunk plastic guides not painted
exhaust system: aftermarket mufflers with aftermarket muffler to body attachment
silver cad used on bolts and nuts where black phosphate should be used

I don't know B-bodies very well. Just some generic stuff that I see.

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Re: My Low Mileage A12 & Frustrations with BaT. [Re: gtx6970] #3058127
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Originally Posted by gtx6970
Originally Posted by McCandlessboy
Originally Posted by SomeCarGuy
I’d tell BaT to go to hell. I know a seller that got strong armed into listing a 69 rr vert for no reserve and it missed what they were told it should do by quite a lot. That site is a wonky place, with stronger mopar cars not doing well, while stuff with shady backgrounds out does what any seasoned mopar guy would predict. Too many options these days to get caught in that wormhole. Look elsewhere.


Here are the 3 69 Road Runner convertibles that have sold on there, only 1 of them was no reserve. Was his car the total project 383 car? If so, I'm not sure what a realistic expectation would have been on a total project car like that.


That blue one was a steal., That car was LOADED and in a killer color combination. plus it was less than a days drive away . IMO the downfall to it was the numbers block was 060 over and I think it scared a lot of people off
If I had the money at the time I would have gone after that car in a big way


The downfall of the car was simple. In the description it says:

The passenger side rear quarter panel is said to have been refinished and rust is visible in the trunk pan. The rear passenger side quarter panel paint does not match the rest of the car.

Then in the pictures the seller shoots the car with the drivers side in the bright light so you can see the pretty paint, but shoots the passenger side in shadows so you can see how bad the paint is. When you do things like that you're going to lose the top end buyer who starts to wonder, if he's hiding that, what else is he hiding? Car was original underneath, ac didn't work, mismatched quarter panel, etc, etc. I'm only harping on this because when people ask for feedback on here, it helps if people giving the feedback are honest so the OP can make an educated decision. Someone coming in talking about a platform being terrible, but it turns out, all of his information was wrong, doesn't help anything.

Re: My Low Mileage A12 & Frustrations with BaT. [Re: McCandlessboy] #3058225
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It doesn’t help when somebody is such a fanboy that they can’t accept a car performing at 10% under market as an example given when asked. If he hadn’t been caught up in what bat told him that car would do, I would’ve gone more and been happy to drive that car. Too bad I bought another before it ran. He told me it would be going no reserve, must’ve added it with them after I passed on the car. I didn’t catch that it didn’t, doesn’t change the fact it didn’t do as they estimated and that can well happen again. The OP would be screwed in that scenario. He needs to do what makes him comfortable. I’ve seen other wonky stuff on there, I would look elsewhere unless I was willing to play a game listing my car. They run stuff with shaky vins etc.

I’m not the only one to note both in this thread and elsewhere that musclecars underperform on there. Feel free to go whine about those people. Should keep you busy awhile.

I went on to give my opinion of other places to run it, per your request. Just too many outlets these days to put up with exactly what the OP is concerned with in his posting here. I gave my input, I didn’t post anything against anybody else’s input when I did. You are a fan of bat, we get it.


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Re: My Low Mileage A12 & Frustrations with BaT. [Re: BigDaddy440] #3058376
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Here's a '69 440 Dart that is at $72k right now. About the same as it got at Mecum, apparently.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1969-dodge-dart-gts-440/


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Re: My Low Mileage A12 & Frustrations with BaT. [Re: DaveRS23] #3058382
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Interesting images with that '69 Dart.....

Partial window sticker with no VIN on it lead to a 'reproduction' ?

Page 10 of the GG report does not list the window sticker fragment as 'documentation' then a wordy disclaimer.......

Who made that window sticker for the car? work

Re: My Low Mileage A12 & Frustrations with BaT. [Re: Alaskan_TA] #3058416
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According to the remarks below the listing, the car has 'been around'.


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Originally Posted by DaveRS23
According to the remarks below the listing, the car has 'been around'.


Most comments at BAT are people who just want to tell their story from back in the day and many times are incorrect or made up.


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Re: My Low Mileage A12 & Frustrations with BaT. [Re: Bob Stinson] #3058511
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Well, the seller and a couple of others were discussing how it went when it was at Mecum. A previous owner posted. And some who had inspected the car posted, too. shruggy

Nowadays, there is always a keyboard commando wanting to chime in. It is expected, so filtering them out is an everyday occurrence and should not be a reason to dismiss all comments.


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Re: My Low Mileage A12 & Frustrations with BaT. [Re: DaveRS23] #3058666
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Updating the thread:

Just this week BaT responded to my last message agreeing to increase the reserve for a potential listing of my A12. I'll now be considering them as an option moving forward.

This thread has been helpful and has given me some various viewpoints, opinions and options to consider - I appreciate the input.

As I mentioned in my initial post, my prior experience as a seller on BaT was very positive. Part of that experience was dealing with an amazing buyer who couldn't have been any more pleasant. I understand BaT's business model and why it's in their best interest (both monetarily and reputation) for cars to meet reserves and sell. I don't believe BaT always takes the time to understand the actual desirability or market on certain types of vehicles or respects the concerns of potential sellers. I will say that every time I made my argument with BaT, I received an equally respectful response within 48 hours, and usually sooner.

I suppose one could have either a fantastic or horrible outcome with any of the marketing options out there that provide national (and worldwide) exposure. Given the costs and risks of travel, the low insertion fee and buyer-pays-premium of BaT and the traffic the site receives, I think BaT can be a solid marketing option IF you can come to an agreement with them on a reserve price.


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What area of Ca. is the car located?


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Originally Posted by BloFish
What area of Ca. is the car located?


Sent you a PM


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Re: My Low Mileage A12 & Frustrations with BaT. [Re: BigDaddy440] #3058821
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Originally Posted by BigDaddy440
Updating the thread:

Just this week BaT responded to my last message agreeing to increase the reserve for a potential listing of my A12. I'll now be considering them as an option moving forward.

This thread has been helpful and has given me some various viewpoints, opinions and options to consider - I appreciate the input.

As I mentioned in my initial post, my prior experience as a seller on BaT was very positive. Part of that experience was dealing with an amazing buyer who couldn't have been any more pleasant. I understand BaT's business model and why it's in their best interest (both monetarily and reputation) for cars to meet reserves and sell. I don't believe BaT always takes the time to understand the actual desirability or market on certain types of vehicles or respects the concerns of potential sellers. I will say that every time I made my argument with BaT, I received an equally respectful response within 48 hours, and usually sooner.

I suppose one could have either a fantastic or horrible outcome with any of the marketing options out there that provide national (and worldwide) exposure. Given the costs and risks of travel, the low insertion fee and buyer-pays-premium of BaT and the traffic the site receives, I think BaT can be a solid marketing option IF you can come to an agreement with them on a reserve price.



Nicely stated!

Thank you for the update.

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Originally Posted by Bob Stinson


iagree

High quality A12 with personal touches. Subtle restified car.

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Originally Posted by autoxcuda
Originally Posted by Bob Stinson


iagree

High quality A12 with personal touches. Subtle restified car.



Thank you to all who followed this topic and to those who also followed the BaT auction.

The car did as well as I had hoped and the comments on BaT were incredibly supportive. Although BaT did finally agree to increase the reserve, it was still a bit of a "risk" on my part as to how well the car would be received by interested buyers. I had five phone calls from most of the serious bidders, all were stand-up people to speak with. The winning bidder is a collector and has ties to both the Ohio and Indiana areas where this A12 was first sold and then spent most of its existence before coming to California. He wasn't going to let the car slip away and was prepared to win.

I'm looking forward to seeing this car make appearances in future car shows like Carlisle and others and get the attention it deserves. Although there will be times when I wished I still had it, I know it's in good hands and original owner Carl got to see the car completed prior to his passing in 2021.

Thanks everyone,
Dan

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