Would this trans line setup pass tech at your track?
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OEM-type metal lines from trans up to maybe 14-18" from trans cooler mounted on radiator Ends of metal lines flared/barbed Trans cooler fluid line hookups are NPT fittings w/ barbed ends Rubber line supplied w/ trans cooler (Is this considered "high pressure"?) Lines attached on both ends w/ screw-type hose clamps
NHRA rule book says the trans lines must be metal or "high pressure" type; doesn't specify attachment mechanism
It was never questioned in the past, but I wanted to ask anyway. Oh, mid-10 sec car, FWIW. Thx
2021 Challenger 6.4L Scat Pack 1320 100% stock: 1.680, 11.894 at 113.75 (DA 175 ft) weight reduction, wheels, tires, Hellcat air box: 1.661, 11.686 at 115.97 (DA 710 ft)
1973 Challenger 452 ci street/strip [2008] pump gas, DOT radials: 1.454, 10.523 at 126.44 (DA 514 ft)
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Re: Would this trans line setup pass tech at your track?
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OEM-type metal lines from trans up to maybe 14-18" from trans cooler mounted on radiator Ends of metal lines flared/barbed Trans cooler fluid line hookups are NPT fittings w/ barbed ends Rubber line supplied w/ trans cooler (Is this considered "high pressure"?) Lines attached on both ends w/ screw-type hose clamps
NHRA rule book says the trans lines must be metal or "high pressure" type; doesn't specify attachment mechanism
It was never questioned in the past, but I wanted to ask anyway. Oh, mid-10 sec car, FWIW. Thx I’ve seen enough carnage from leaking oil/fluid getting on the tires. I don’t care what anyone says, manufacturer or not, I would never use any rubber in cooler lines. Spend some time bending a nice set of lines and use flare fittings and never worry. Just put a wrench on each fitting once in a while to make sure they are tight.
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Re: Would this trans line setup pass tech at your track?
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Would it pass tech around here? Yessir, no problem. If it were me, I'd run it from trans to cooler completely in -6 AN braided line. I did that to my car years ago and it made things much easier. Not having to deal with the hard lines around headers, starter, crossmember, shifter linkage, etc.
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Re: Would this trans line setup pass tech at your track?
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Nobody has ever said anything about trans lines that I know of in tech.
Back in the day when I ran 11s and 12s I ran some steel line rubber hose double clamped sketchy stuff but eventually I switched to all braided.
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Re: Would this trans line setup pass tech at your track?
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I have to laugh at a few on here.. they all talk safety but to do a job right they will blow it off... or they say.. next time.. even if they have never been checked on it Agree. Bad enough to oil the track and pi$$ off their fellow competitors. Worst case they crash their car or it goes up in flames.
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Re: Would this trans line setup pass tech at your track?
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Our mopar race has been called the “oil dry nationals” for years by some of the Chevy and ford guys. Most of it is deserved. I still get a kick out of selling old school Hemi guys running flex hoses on their radiators.
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Re: Would this trans line setup pass tech at your track?
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Sure, rubber fuel line and worm clamps on non flared, cut off tubing is a bad plan...but modern high pressure push lock flexible hose is no joke. I've been using it on an efi system in street car heat since 2009 to connect the hardline to the fuel rails for example.
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Re: Would this trans line setup pass tech at your track?
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If you want yo can change over to braided at the ends of the steel lines then that will give you some flex and vibration resistance ... use compression fittings on the steel That's the direction I've decided to go. Need to see what fittings I have on hand, plus don't believe there's enough -6 line left to do the job.
2021 Challenger 6.4L Scat Pack 1320 100% stock: 1.680, 11.894 at 113.75 (DA 175 ft) weight reduction, wheels, tires, Hellcat air box: 1.661, 11.686 at 115.97 (DA 710 ft)
1973 Challenger 452 ci street/strip [2008] pump gas, DOT radials: 1.454, 10.523 at 126.44 (DA 514 ft)
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Re: Would this trans line setup pass tech at your track?
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Our mopar race has been called the “oil dry nationals” for years by some of the Chevy and ford guys. Most of it is deserved. I still get a kick out of selling old school Hemi guys running flex hoses on their radiators.
Not I. I went with-20 AN upper and lower radiator hoses on my build. One of my buddies, crossed the centerline and slapped the opposite wall one time all because of a $1.19 radiator hose clamp let loose on his BBC race car.
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Re: Would this trans line setup pass tech at your track?
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Our mopar race has been called the “oil dry nationals” for years by some of the Chevy and ford guys. Most of it is deserved. I still get a kick out of selling old school Hemi guys running flex hoses on their radiators.
Not I. I went with-20 AN upper and lower radiator hoses on my build. One of my buddies, crossed the centerline and slapped the opposite wall one time all because of a $1.19 radiator hose clamp let loose on his BBC race car. Very nice.
1970 Duster Edelbrock headed 408 5.984@112.52 422 Indy headed small block 5.982@112.56 mph 9.42@138.27
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Re: Would this trans line setup pass tech at your track?
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If you rely on the tech guy at your local track for guidance on building your car, you are doing it wrong. Passing tech, even by the book tech, is a minimum requirement. There's always a better, safer way. High pressure hose made for trans cooler applications is a minimum. If you are using clamps like this... instead of like this, you are asking for trouble. Everything I've done for a long time now is AN type hoses and fittings including coolers with provisions for those style connections. I've seen too many messes from doing it the other way.
If the results don't match the theory, change the theory.
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Re: Would this trans line setup pass tech at your track?
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Our mopar race has been called the “oil dry nationals” for years by some of the Chevy and ford guys. Most of it is deserved. I still get a kick out of selling old school Hemi guys running flex hoses on their radiators.
I used to tell Elmer his Mopar meet was his track's annual rust proofing treatment.
If the results don't match the theory, change the theory.
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Re: Would this trans line setup pass tech at your track?
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IMO whether it woudl pass or not is questionable. At Capitol and Masin Dixon probably never be an issue no matter what was used. Question is are you comfortable with this set up? IMO use better materials just for peace of mind. You can make steel line easy enough to go to the converter with many options. B nuts and sleeves to flexible braided line, bend the steel line to fit the cooler, simply use braided line end to end. But what ever you do use a trans cooler that has actually fittings or provisions for them. not one that has hose barbs on it......
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Re: Would this trans line setup pass tech at your track?
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If you want yo can change over to braided at the ends of the steel lines then that will give you some flex and vibration resistance ... use compression fittings on the steel That's the direction I've decided to go. Need to see what fittings I have on hand, plus don't believe there's enough -6 line left to do the job. I would highly recommend Teflon (Aeroquip TFE style) hose and fittings for that application. Trans fluid is nasty and the rubber/stainless braid stuff will degrade over time. Steel tube can be flared and assembled with nut/sleeve type fasteners. We've done that with 5/16" line using -5 AN stuff. 3/8" goes to -6.
Last edited by CMcAllister; 07/06/22 12:34 PM.
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