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Will Charger/Challenger plants go idle for year? #3053456
06/26/22 11:19 AM
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Everything indicates new Charger/Challenger or their replacements out in 2024. What I'm wondering is will there be 2023 LX cars? It's hard to find out right now. I can't find any info on release dates of 2023 model LX's, build and price, or any of that. Is it just too early for that or do you think the plants will have to be re-tooling and there will be no 2023's?


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Re: Will Charger/Challenger plants go idle for year? [Re: larrymopar360] #3053467
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Plants setting idle don;t make money and costs.

If not the LX then something will run down them, or they'll be shuttered. Probably permanently and no replacements for the LX at all.

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Well there's supposed to be a replacement sedan at least, completely redesigned, just unknown whether it'll be a Charger. Remember the tease video from FCA about the electrified future?

The first year for the all new is 2024. So there'll be a 2023 Charger?


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Re: Will Charger/Challenger plants go idle for year? [Re: larrymopar360] #3053578
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They also have that new gas powered they are making and they have said just because they had that big electric vehicle announcement a while back didn't mean that they were abandoning gas powered cars all together. So it'll be interesting to see what their plans are.

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My dealer told me there will be.


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Re: Will Charger/Challenger plants go idle for year? [Re: slantzilla] #3053764
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Info is sketchy right now but sounds like they'll build the current cars for as long as possible like they're doing with the last gen ram and did with caravan. Plant where built is getting big upgrades, cars may be moved to another plant so they can keep building them.

Re: Will Charger/Challenger plants go idle for year? [Re: Sniper] #3053795
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Originally Posted by Sniper
Plants setting idle don;t make money and costs.



That's pre-COVID thinking.

The manufacturers have now figured out by keeping inventory sitting on dealer lots artificially low, they can charge artificially high prices and increase profit on each unit.

Empty lots and higher prices are the new normal.


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Re: Will Charger/Challenger plants go idle for year? [Re: wingman] #3053809
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Yea as the tool up for a more mellow/friendly line to be produced. catfight


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Re: Will Charger/Challenger plants go idle for year? [Re: wingman] #3053871
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Originally Posted by wingman
Originally Posted by Sniper
Plants setting idle don;t make money and costs.



That's pre-COVID thinking.

The manufacturers have now figured out by keeping inventory sitting on dealer lots artificially low, they can charge artificially high prices and increase profit on each unit.

Empty lots and higher prices are the new normal.


Got any source for that?

Re: Will Charger/Challenger plants go idle for year? [Re: larrymopar360] #3053878
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Thinking back to the point of when the current Charger was proposed and the arguments on every Mopar site about 2-Door or 4-Door catfight argue was all that seemed to be talked about. IMO opinion it seems Ma Mopar knew better to go with a 4-Door as it seems to have been one of the best law enforcement vehicles ever for modern Mopar and maybe even better than the 4-Door Crown Vic. What will replace the Charger 4-Door Law Enforcement CAR/Sedan and don't say an SUV down This should be interesting.

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Originally Posted by Sniper
Originally Posted by wingman
Originally Posted by Sniper
Plants setting idle don;t make money and costs.



That's pre-COVID thinking.

The manufacturers have now figured out by keeping inventory sitting on dealer lots artificially low, they can charge artificially high prices and increase profit on each unit.

Empty lots and higher prices are the new normal.


Got any source for that?


Dealers are benefiting on a unit basis, volume is killing manufacturers and dealers. Development is insanely expensive, costs won't be recovered without volume, future development funds will be curtailed to all our detriment.


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Re: Will Charger/Challenger plants go idle for year? [Re: 3hundred] #3053898
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Originally Posted by 3hundred


Dealers are benefiting on a unit basis, volume is killing manufacturers and dealers. Development is insanely expensive, costs won't be recovered without volume, future development funds will be curtailed to all our detriment.


panic Are you implying we'll have to deal with another 70's style crap car options?

Re: Will Charger/Challenger plants go idle for year? [Re: larrymopar360] #3053912
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Gotta try to figure in how steeply rising interest rates will steeply rise monthly vehicle payments, which may further reduce volume.

If I were Stel-ain’t-US
I would “hunker down” and keep selling existing USA models built on existing tooling,
sheltering cash when ever possible.

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Originally Posted by A12
Thinking back to the point of when the current Charger was proposed and the arguments on every Mopar site about 2-Door or 4-Door catfight argue was all that seemed to be talked about. IMO opinion it seems Ma Mopar knew better to go with a 4-Door as it seems to have been one of the best law enforcement vehicles ever for modern Mopar and maybe even better than the 4-Door Crown Vic. What will replace the Charger 4-Door Law Enforcement CAR/Sedan and don't say an SUV down This should be interesting.



Our county and village patrol units are pick-up trucks and SUVs and have been for a while. shruggy


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Originally Posted by Sniper
Originally Posted by wingman
Originally Posted by Sniper
Plants setting idle don;t make money and costs.



That's pre-COVID thinking.

The manufacturers have now figured out by keeping inventory sitting on dealer lots artificially low, they can charge artificially high prices and increase profit on each unit.

Empty lots and higher prices are the new normal.


Got any source for that?


There’s more to it than that. Ralph Gilles discusses this in a podcast: https://youtu.be/vLYB5Z_qU5Y

Low volume on dealer lots will be the norm.


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Originally Posted by 3hundred
Originally Posted by Sniper
Originally Posted by wingman
Originally Posted by Sniper
Plants setting idle don;t make money and costs.



That's pre-COVID thinking.

The manufacturers have now figured out by keeping inventory sitting on dealer lots artificially low, they can charge artificially high prices and increase profit on each unit.

Empty lots and higher prices are the new normal.


Got any source for that?


Dealers are benefiting on a unit basis, volume is killing manufacturers and dealers. Development is insanely expensive, costs won't be recovered without volume, future development funds will be curtailed to all our detriment.


This ^. The manufacturer bills the dealer for the car once it rolls off the line. The lots will be stuffed as soon as they can and the discounts will also be back.

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That doesn't go for Ford. And other carmakers are expected to follow suit.

"Ford noticed, and now the company wants to shift more future buyers to the vehicle ordering process, Ford CEO Jim Farley said on a conference call this week with reporters to discuss the company's second-quarter results. Getting more buyers to order a specific vehicle online can also help Ford's bottom line.

"We are really committed to going to an order-based system and keeping inventories at 50 to 60 days' supply," he said. "I know we are wasting money on incentives
."

www.caranddriver.com/news/a37187201/ford-build-to-order-online-ordering-changes/

Reducing inventories reduces overhead, most notably interest. And reduces the need for incentives to move slow moving units. There will be inventories, just lower numbers with fewer discounts.


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Originally Posted by DaveRS23
Originally Posted by A12
Thinking back to the point of when the current Charger was proposed and the arguments on every Mopar site about 2-Door or 4-Door catfight argue was all that seemed to be talked about. IMO opinion it seems Ma Mopar knew better to go with a 4-Door as it seems to have been one of the best law enforcement vehicles ever for modern Mopar and maybe even better than the 4-Door Crown Vic. What will replace the Charger 4-Door Law Enforcement CAR/Sedan and don't say an SUV down This should be interesting.



Our county and village patrol units are pick-up trucks and SUVs and have been for a while. shruggy


Ditto; a lot of local LEO's here got in Durangos a few years ago, and see mant county guys in Rams. Still seeing Ferd SUV's as well.

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Originally Posted by DaveRS23
That doesn't go for Ford. And other carmakers are expected to follow suit.

"Ford noticed, and now the company wants to shift more future buyers to the vehicle ordering process, Ford CEO Jim Farley said on a conference call this week with reporters to discuss the company's second-quarter results. Getting more buyers to order a specific vehicle online can also help Ford's bottom line.

"We are really committed to going to an order-based system and keeping inventories at 50 to 60 days' supply," he said. "I know we are wasting money on incentives
."

www.caranddriver.com/news/a37187201/ford-build-to-order-online-ordering-changes/

Reducing inventories reduces overhead, most notably interest. And reduces the need for incentives to move slow moving units. There will be inventories, just lower numbers with fewer discounts.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvXRTnZbECs

Toyota has hinted that they will be at a 30-day supply or less going forward.

Instead of learning from the pandemic about all of the pitfalls of "lean" manufacturing, it appears some manufacturers are doubling-down instead.

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