Resistance specs on coolant temp senders?
#3052541
06/22/22 08:32 PM
06/22/22 08:32 PM
|
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 19,447 in a cattle trailer down by th...
Guitar Jones
OP
Paddle faster! I hear banjo music!
|
OP
Paddle faster! I hear banjo music!
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 19,447
in a cattle trailer down by th...
|
So I have my original sender from the 74, reads 244 ohms at room temp. I installed it with the 93 wiring and gauge cluster and the temp gauge reads about 1/4 not running at room tempature. No coolant and hasn't run in a month. So I figured I needed a newer sensor, got one spec'd for an 89 and it reads 196 ohms at room temp. Gauge reads about halfway, same conditions as before. After much ado I found one for the 93, what a PITA, anyway it will interfere with my fuel line so I'd rather not use it. If I knew the specs I could just add a resistor in line to rectify the condition. So any one got specs on those senders?
I raise chickens, so I am literally a chicken tender.
The Scamp is sold, now just two old trucks and one newer one. '92 D250 Club Cab CTD, 47RH conversion, pump tweaks, injectors, rear disc and hydroboost conversion. '74 W200 Crew Cab 360, NV4500, D44, D60 and NP205 divorced transfer case. 2019 1500 Long Horn Crew Cab 4WD, 5.7 Hemi.
|
|
|
Re: Resistance specs on coolant temp senders?
[Re: Sniper]
#3052592
06/23/22 12:38 AM
06/23/22 12:38 AM
|
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 19,447 in a cattle trailer down by th...
Guitar Jones
OP
Paddle faster! I hear banjo music!
|
OP
Paddle faster! I hear banjo music!
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 19,447
in a cattle trailer down by th...
|
I know it varies, I have two identical senders, one measures 244 ohms, the other measures 196 ohms, cold, no coolant. The 244 ohm unit registers about 1/4 on the temp gauge, the 196 ohm unit registers about half way on the gauge. Engine not running, hasn't been run for a month and no coolant in the engine, just key on. Aftermarket shows the same sender for my 74 and an 89 model year. The gauge, cluster and wiring all came from a 93 Ram Charger 5.2 magnum. That used a different sender with a different connector. It's taller and the connector would interfere with my fuel line to the carb. I don't have one to measure its resistance. So I'm trying to figure out what the senders resistance should be at X temperature and if the early senders ohm readings are different from the later magnum engines. It looks to me like around 300 ohms would register cold on the gauge and as the engine warmed up the resistance would go down and the temp gauge would go up. If that isn't correct then I have another problem like a ground issue or something.
I raise chickens, so I am literally a chicken tender.
The Scamp is sold, now just two old trucks and one newer one. '92 D250 Club Cab CTD, 47RH conversion, pump tweaks, injectors, rear disc and hydroboost conversion. '74 W200 Crew Cab 360, NV4500, D44, D60 and NP205 divorced transfer case. 2019 1500 Long Horn Crew Cab 4WD, 5.7 Hemi.
|
|
|
Re: Resistance specs on coolant temp senders?
[Re: Guitar Jones]
#3052595
06/23/22 02:49 AM
06/23/22 02:49 AM
|
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 19,447 in a cattle trailer down by th...
Guitar Jones
OP
Paddle faster! I hear banjo music!
|
OP
Paddle faster! I hear banjo music!
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 19,447
in a cattle trailer down by th...
|
This thread says the sender should read between 300-350 ohms at 70 degrees which would correspond with what I'm thinking would get my gauge to read properly. 3rd post in thread. FBBO thread
I raise chickens, so I am literally a chicken tender.
The Scamp is sold, now just two old trucks and one newer one. '92 D250 Club Cab CTD, 47RH conversion, pump tweaks, injectors, rear disc and hydroboost conversion. '74 W200 Crew Cab 360, NV4500, D44, D60 and NP205 divorced transfer case. 2019 1500 Long Horn Crew Cab 4WD, 5.7 Hemi.
|
|
|
Re: Resistance specs on coolant temp senders?
[Re: Guitar Jones]
#3052611
06/23/22 08:45 AM
06/23/22 08:45 AM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 10,076 North Dakota
6PakBee
I Live Here
|
I Live Here
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 10,076
North Dakota
|
I just looked in the '73 service manual and it reads the same as the earlier ones. The tool to test the stock temperature gauge is C-3826 which has a resistance of 73 ohms to mimic the minimum scale reading and 9.6 ohms which mimics the temperature gauge full scale.
"We live in a time when intelligent people are being silenced so that stupid people won't be offended".
|
|
|
Re: Resistance specs on coolant temp senders?
[Re: 6PakBee]
#3052613
06/23/22 08:48 AM
06/23/22 08:48 AM
|
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 19,447 in a cattle trailer down by th...
Guitar Jones
OP
Paddle faster! I hear banjo music!
|
OP
Paddle faster! I hear banjo music!
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 19,447
in a cattle trailer down by th...
|
That sounds like a fuel gauge spec. I've got a 77 and a 93 FSM but haven't found a spec for the temp gauge in them.
I raise chickens, so I am literally a chicken tender.
The Scamp is sold, now just two old trucks and one newer one. '92 D250 Club Cab CTD, 47RH conversion, pump tweaks, injectors, rear disc and hydroboost conversion. '74 W200 Crew Cab 360, NV4500, D44, D60 and NP205 divorced transfer case. 2019 1500 Long Horn Crew Cab 4WD, 5.7 Hemi.
|
|
|
Re: Resistance specs on coolant temp senders?
[Re: Guitar Jones]
#3052627
06/23/22 09:36 AM
06/23/22 09:36 AM
|
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 7,287 USA
360view
master
|
master
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 7,287
USA
|
That sounds like a fuel gauge spec. I've got a 77 and a 93 FSM but haven't found a spec for the temp gauge in them. on a 1993 are there 2 coolant temperature sensors on either side of the thermostat pipe nipple, one for working the dash gauge and one for the PCM using the “common” 5 volt supply ? 1994-1995 OBD-I Magnum V8s had 2 sensors. 1996+ I think changed yet again. 1992-1993 5.2 Magnum V8s I do not know.
|
|
|
Re: Resistance specs on coolant temp senders?
[Re: Sniper]
#3052639
06/23/22 10:00 AM
06/23/22 10:00 AM
|
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 19,447 in a cattle trailer down by th...
Guitar Jones
OP
Paddle faster! I hear banjo music!
|
OP
Paddle faster! I hear banjo music!
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 19,447
in a cattle trailer down by th...
|
None of those values make sense. The values of 244 and 196 ohms are what I am reading directly on the two senders I have. Lower readings would make the gauge read even higher. I've used that tester many decades ago on fuel gauges but don't ever remember using it on a temp gauge.
I raise chickens, so I am literally a chicken tender.
The Scamp is sold, now just two old trucks and one newer one. '92 D250 Club Cab CTD, 47RH conversion, pump tweaks, injectors, rear disc and hydroboost conversion. '74 W200 Crew Cab 360, NV4500, D44, D60 and NP205 divorced transfer case. 2019 1500 Long Horn Crew Cab 4WD, 5.7 Hemi.
|
|
|
Re: Resistance specs on coolant temp senders?
[Re: 360view]
#3052643
06/23/22 10:03 AM
06/23/22 10:03 AM
|
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 19,447 in a cattle trailer down by th...
Guitar Jones
OP
Paddle faster! I hear banjo music!
|
OP
Paddle faster! I hear banjo music!
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 19,447
in a cattle trailer down by th...
|
Yes it has two. A sensor for the PCM (2 pins) and a sender for the gauge (1 pin). That is why I didn't think the gauge would have changed for the last two years of production.
I raise chickens, so I am literally a chicken tender.
The Scamp is sold, now just two old trucks and one newer one. '92 D250 Club Cab CTD, 47RH conversion, pump tweaks, injectors, rear disc and hydroboost conversion. '74 W200 Crew Cab 360, NV4500, D44, D60 and NP205 divorced transfer case. 2019 1500 Long Horn Crew Cab 4WD, 5.7 Hemi.
|
|
|
Re: Resistance specs on coolant temp senders?
[Re: Sniper]
#3052657
06/23/22 10:27 AM
06/23/22 10:27 AM
|
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 19,447 in a cattle trailer down by th...
Guitar Jones
OP
Paddle faster! I hear banjo music!
|
OP
Paddle faster! I hear banjo music!
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 19,447
in a cattle trailer down by th...
|
Just found this in the 93 FSM. Temperature gauge Cold graduation 655 ohms Hot graduation 64 ohms Fuel gauge Empty 90 ohms Full 12 ohms Oil pressure gauge Low 100 ohms High 12 ohms.
So neither of the senders I have come close to the spec. for the 93. Going to look through my 77 manual now.
I raise chickens, so I am literally a chicken tender.
The Scamp is sold, now just two old trucks and one newer one. '92 D250 Club Cab CTD, 47RH conversion, pump tweaks, injectors, rear disc and hydroboost conversion. '74 W200 Crew Cab 360, NV4500, D44, D60 and NP205 divorced transfer case. 2019 1500 Long Horn Crew Cab 4WD, 5.7 Hemi.
|
|
|
Re: Resistance specs on coolant temp senders?
[Re: Guitar Jones]
#3052669
06/23/22 10:47 AM
06/23/22 10:47 AM
|
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 19,447 in a cattle trailer down by th...
Guitar Jones
OP
Paddle faster! I hear banjo music!
|
OP
Paddle faster! I hear banjo music!
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 19,447
in a cattle trailer down by th...
|
No such spec in the 77 FSM.
I raise chickens, so I am literally a chicken tender.
The Scamp is sold, now just two old trucks and one newer one. '92 D250 Club Cab CTD, 47RH conversion, pump tweaks, injectors, rear disc and hydroboost conversion. '74 W200 Crew Cab 360, NV4500, D44, D60 and NP205 divorced transfer case. 2019 1500 Long Horn Crew Cab 4WD, 5.7 Hemi.
|
|
|
Re: Resistance specs on coolant temp senders?
[Re: Guitar Jones]
#3052681
06/23/22 11:16 AM
06/23/22 11:16 AM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 10,076 North Dakota
6PakBee
I Live Here
|
I Live Here
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 10,076
North Dakota
|
That sounds like a fuel gauge spec. I've got a 77 and a 93 FSM but haven't found a spec for the temp gauge in them.
"We live in a time when intelligent people are being silenced so that stupid people won't be offended".
|
|
|
Re: Resistance specs on coolant temp senders?
[Re: 6PakBee]
#3052682
06/23/22 11:26 AM
06/23/22 11:26 AM
|
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 19,447 in a cattle trailer down by th...
Guitar Jones
OP
Paddle faster! I hear banjo music!
|
OP
Paddle faster! I hear banjo music!
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 19,447
in a cattle trailer down by th...
|
Yes, I know all about that, I'm trying to explain to you guys that those values don't match what I'm measuring. That is a very old tool, probably from the 40s and I'm not sure as to what years it was useful for. Please see the specs I posted from the 93 FSM.
I raise chickens, so I am literally a chicken tender.
The Scamp is sold, now just two old trucks and one newer one. '92 D250 Club Cab CTD, 47RH conversion, pump tweaks, injectors, rear disc and hydroboost conversion. '74 W200 Crew Cab 360, NV4500, D44, D60 and NP205 divorced transfer case. 2019 1500 Long Horn Crew Cab 4WD, 5.7 Hemi.
|
|
|
Re: Resistance specs on coolant temp senders?
[Re: Guitar Jones]
#3052715
06/23/22 01:49 PM
06/23/22 01:49 PM
|
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 19,447 in a cattle trailer down by th...
Guitar Jones
OP
Paddle faster! I hear banjo music!
|
OP
Paddle faster! I hear banjo music!
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 19,447
in a cattle trailer down by th...
|
from the 93 FSM, sideways 
I raise chickens, so I am literally a chicken tender.
The Scamp is sold, now just two old trucks and one newer one. '92 D250 Club Cab CTD, 47RH conversion, pump tweaks, injectors, rear disc and hydroboost conversion. '74 W200 Crew Cab 360, NV4500, D44, D60 and NP205 divorced transfer case. 2019 1500 Long Horn Crew Cab 4WD, 5.7 Hemi.
|
|
|
Re: Resistance specs on coolant temp senders?
[Re: Guitar Jones]
#3052722
06/23/22 02:20 PM
06/23/22 02:20 PM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 10,076 North Dakota
6PakBee
I Live Here
|
I Live Here
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 10,076
North Dakota
|
The C-3826 may be old but it was used for decades as long as the thermal gauges were in use. Based on my 78-81 truck parts book from Mymopar, as late as '78 the IVR was PN 3592899 which superseded PN 2258413 which is the IVR for the thermal gauges that C-3826 was used to test since the early '60's. Bottom line, I think the C-3826 tool is still the tool to use on your '74 and the 244 ohm sender you have is not the stock sender for a '74 Mopar. The values from the '93 FSM are not applicable as Mopar had stopped using thermal gauges by then.
"We live in a time when intelligent people are being silenced so that stupid people won't be offended".
|
|
|
Re: Resistance specs on coolant temp senders?
[Re: 6PakBee]
#3052726
06/23/22 02:30 PM
06/23/22 02:30 PM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 18,188 UPPER MICHIGAN, MARQUETTE COUN...
NITROUSN
I Live Here
|
I Live Here
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 18,188
UPPER MICHIGAN, MARQUETTE COUN...
|
The C-3826 may be old but it was used for decades as long as the thermal gauges were in use. Based on my 78-81 truck parts book from Mymopar, as late as '78 the IVR was PN 3592899 which superseded PN 2258413 which is the IVR for the thermal gauges that C-3826 was used to test since the early '60's. Bottom line, I think the C-3826 tool is still the tool to use on your '74 and the 244 ohm sender you have is not the stock sender for a '74 Mopar. The values from the '93 FSM are not applicable as Mopar had stopped using thermal gauges by then. He said he is running the 93 cluster and wiring. Magnums had two temperature sensors one for the gauge and one for the computer.
|
|
|
Re: Resistance specs on coolant temp senders?
[Re: NITROUSN]
#3052745
06/23/22 03:26 PM
06/23/22 03:26 PM
|
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 19,447 in a cattle trailer down by th...
Guitar Jones
OP
Paddle faster! I hear banjo music!
|
OP
Paddle faster! I hear banjo music!
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 19,447
in a cattle trailer down by th...
|
The C-3826 may be old but it was used for decades as long as the thermal gauges were in use. Based on my 78-81 truck parts book from Mymopar, as late as '78 the IVR was PN 3592899 which superseded PN 2258413 which is the IVR for the thermal gauges that C-3826 was used to test since the early '60's. Bottom line, I think the C-3826 tool is still the tool to use on your '74 and the 244 ohm sender you have is not the stock sender for a '74 Mopar. The values from the '93 FSM are not applicable as Mopar had stopped using thermal gauges by then. He said he is running the 93 cluster and wiring. Magnums had two temperature sensors one for the gauge and one for the computer. All correct, which is why I thought the 89 sender (196 ohm unit) would work as it looks just like the early units and clears my fuel line, but I guess I was wrong.  Not the first time and certainly won't be the last.
I raise chickens, so I am literally a chicken tender.
The Scamp is sold, now just two old trucks and one newer one. '92 D250 Club Cab CTD, 47RH conversion, pump tweaks, injectors, rear disc and hydroboost conversion. '74 W200 Crew Cab 360, NV4500, D44, D60 and NP205 divorced transfer case. 2019 1500 Long Horn Crew Cab 4WD, 5.7 Hemi.
|
|
|
|
|