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Accumulator blocker rod/727 #3051385
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Anyone know the correct length for the accumulator blocker rod in a 727? My memory seems to think that it's 2.850", not sure I can trust it though. I ordered a bunch of parts and this one got left off the order. Don't want to wait until next week to finish this up.

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Re: Accumulator blocker rod/727 [Re: '72CudaRacer] #3051534
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the one in my B&M manual kit is 2.952 long.
it's a solid rod, and if i ever use this kit, i will make a new rod out of tubing.
i can't tell you what the TransGo rod length is, as it's in my car at present.
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Re: Accumulator blocker rod/727 [Re: moparx] #3051539
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Either of those lengths will work as long as it's not too long to keep the VB from seating.


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Re: Accumulator blocker rod/727 [Re: John_Kunkel] #3051541
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thanks John. up
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Re: Accumulator blocker rod/727 [Re: moparx] #3051623
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Thanks guys. With the return spring out, it might not even need a rod. It's got one anyway.

Brian

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With the spring removed, the accumulator still fully functions on the 1-2 upshift. Only way to stop its function is a blocker rod.


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Re: Accumulator blocker rod/727 [Re: 440lebaron] #3051944
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Does the rod hold it in or out of hole?

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With the trans mounted in the car the rod goes in first then the
piston. So the rod spaces the piston toward the valve body
mounting surface.

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My apologies for hijacking the post, but lets say you were building a case from scratch, am I right in thinking that you could scrap the accumulator circuit/system entirely if you were running a manual valve body??
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Many race valve bodies eliminate the accumulator with the goal of the firmest 1-2 upshift but doing so can lead to rear clutch failure. Ya pays your dime and ya takes your chances.


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Re: Accumulator blocker rod/727 [Re: John_Kunkel] #3052216
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Originally Posted by John_Kunkel
Either of those lengths will work as long as it's not too long to keep the VB from seating.

Good point.
As I recall, the Griner valve body needed a shorter blocker rod than the standard factory VB.
But I don't think it uses that circuit anyway.

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After asking a number of questions here on this topic years(?) ago, I decided to use these parts when I had the valve body off before my trans went in w/ the engine:
https://www.sonnax.com/parts/1851-accumulator-piston-kit
https://www.ctpowertrain.com/sonnax-new-hd-enhanced-performance-valve-body-accumulator-spring/


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weight reduction, wheels, tires, Hellcat air box: 1.661, 11.686 at 115.97 (DA 710 ft)

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Re: Accumulator blocker rod/727 [Re: 440Jim] #3052264
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Originally Posted by 440Jim
Originally Posted by John_Kunkel
Either of those lengths will work as long as it's not too long to keep the VB from seating.

Good point.
As I recall, the Griner valve body needed a shorter blocker rod than the standard factory VB.
But I don't think it uses that circuit anyway.




With the Griner you leave the accumulator out. Keith

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First time I've heard that ! will leaving the accumulator piston in cause any problems?

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Originally Posted by cagebob1
First time I've heard that ! will leaving the accumulator piston in cause any problems?


Not a problem unless it has a blocker that is to long and it holds the valve body up causing a leak.
All Griner valve bodies are this way. The accumulator does nothing.
The only exception is if it has the modification to get a line pressure from the accumulator port. Like the Pro Flite. Keith

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Re: Accumulator blocker rod/727 [Re: Brad_Haak] #3052356
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Originally Posted by Brad_Haak
After asking a number of questions here on this topic years(?) ago, I decided to use these parts when I had the valve body off before my trans went in w/ the engine:
https://www.sonnax.com/parts/1851-accumulator-piston-kit
https://www.ctpowertrain.com/sonnax-new-hd-enhanced-performance-valve-body-accumulator-spring/


Thanks for those links, ordered the spring for my loooong term project. I have also thought that a heavier spring would be best for a street/strip car.







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