Rear discs getting hot
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Got an odd one. After a ride I can smell brake pads cooking. Splashed a handful of water onto the rotors and the rear boiled on contact - fronts are cool. I can put the backend in the air though and the tires freewheel in neutral as expected. The parking brake is inside the rotor hat and that looks fine too. Sure enough though, after every ride it gets warm again. Just hot enough to smell it and evap water. I've taken both sides apart can't find anything abnormal. Brake pedal has good feel and stops normally.
I don't know if this started happening before or after, but I had a line pop on the passenger front. Fixed the line, bled it and it functions as it should with the exception of this issue.
The setup is a Wilwood 4 piston caliper up front, rears are Explorer disc brakes using a factory dual reservoir master cylinder (don't know piston diameter). All the flex lines are new.
Any ideas? Thanks.
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Re: Rear discs getting hot
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Got an odd one. After a ride I can smell brake pads cooking. Splashed a handful of water onto the rotors and the rear boiled on contact - fronts are cool. I can put the backend in the air though and the tires freewheel in neutral as expected. The parking brake is inside the rotor hat and that looks fine too. Sure enough though, after every ride it gets warm again. Just hot enough to smell it and evap water. I've taken both sides apart can't find anything abnormal. Brake pedal has good feel and stops normally.
I don't know if this started happening before or after, but I had a line pop on the passenger front. Fixed the line, bled it and it functions as it should with the exception of this issue.
The setup is a Wilwood 4 piston caliper up front, rears are Explorer disc brakes using a factory dual reservoir master cylinder (don't know piston diameter). All the flex lines are new.
Any ideas? Thanks. i the rear hanging free or is it up in it's normal position with the back of the car in the air? Might be something hanging up with the axle at ride height and not up in the air? Ebrake cable maybe?
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Re: Rear discs getting hot
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06/19/22 04:55 PM
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using a factory dual reservoir master cylinder (don't know piston diameter). All the flex lines are new.
Has the RPV (if equipped) been removed from the rear circuit?
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06/19/22 06:50 PM
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This is logical. And often overlooked.
Also suspect is booster rod adjustment.
Over the years I have seen a couple boosters that wouldn't retract fully but that's very unusual.
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using a factory dual reservoir master cylinder (don't know piston diameter). All the flex lines are new.
Has the RPV (if equipped) been removed from the rear circuit? Yeah, swapped it out for a distribution block when I did conversion.
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Got an odd one. After a ride I can smell brake pads cooking. Splashed a handful of water onto the rotors and the rear boiled on contact - fronts are cool. I can put the backend in the air though and the tires freewheel in neutral as expected. The parking brake is inside the rotor hat and that looks fine too. Sure enough though, after every ride it gets warm again. Just hot enough to smell it and evap water. I've taken both sides apart can't find anything abnormal. Brake pedal has good feel and stops normally.
I don't know if this started happening before or after, but I had a line pop on the passenger front. Fixed the line, bled it and it functions as it should with the exception of this issue.
The setup is a Wilwood 4 piston caliper up front, rears are Explorer disc brakes using a factory dual reservoir master cylinder (don't know piston diameter). All the flex lines are new.
Any ideas? Thanks. i the rear hanging free or is it up in it's normal position with the back of the car in the air? Might be something hanging up with the axle at ride height and not up in the air? Ebrake cable maybe? Got the stands under the axle. Actually never had the rear springs unloaded during diagnosis. I checked the hose going to the T and there aren't any kinks.
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Re: Rear discs getting hot
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Pistons probably need to be manually retracted using a special tool. I've run into that problem before. I'm not sure if these calipers do that. I'll give it a squeeze with a C clamp when I get back to the garage.
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This is logical. And often overlooked.
Also suspect is booster rod adjustment.
Over the years I have seen a couple boosters that wouldn't retract fully but that's very unusual. I didn't even check to see if the peddle comes all the way back up. Is it possible for it return after being stuck? Every time I get the car back into the air after returning home the brakes have already freed themselves.
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You can tell if the rear calipers need the tool to turn them to retract by seeing if the face is smooth or has some sort of pattern in them. It could be little circular indents or a “C” that has extended ends. If they are the turn type and you crank on them with a c clamp, you can break them. I have done that in the past. If they at the turn type , try turning them out so the sides are exposed and lubricte them with some sort of anti seize. Then turn them back in and out a few times and see if they free up. They could just be full of dust. I would check to see if the rotors are out of round too or installed parallel so they don’t rub. You could also be warping them by overheating and hitting them with water. Also, is there enough free play in the flex hose when the suspension loads/ unloads? If the line hasn’t enough free play, it can send fluid into the caliper and cause them to squeeze without you knowing. If you do a high speed run and then let the vehicle coast, does it maintain speed and very slowly slow down or slow down more than you think it should? You could have the rears dragging while driving. Lastly, did you say both sides are doing this?
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Re: Rear discs getting hot
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06/20/22 01:39 AM
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using a factory dual reservoir master cylinder (don't know piston diameter). All the flex lines are new.
Has the RPV (if equipped) been removed from the rear circuit? Yeah, swapped it out for a distribution block when I did conversion. The RPV "Residual Pressure Valve" is often in the Master Cylinder in the port behind the brake line tube fitting. Since you mentioned that you did the explorer rear brakes and the shoes in the hub look good then you should not have pistons that need to be retracted manually. The screw in pistons (manually retracted) are for the parking brake in the caliper assembly. Not the shoe in the hub type you have. I have had new out of the box brake lines be bad and that would be the first thing I would check. Since it is both the rear brakes it is probably the rear hose, the RPV, the proportioning valve, a kink/pinch in the brake line or something like that is causing the pressure "Stick" in the rear line. If you can get a pressure gauge that will fit the bleeder port you can check to see if the front and rear pressures both drop properly and if you have a small amount of pressure causing the rear to drag.
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The above is correct about the calipers.
My reference to the booster sticking is the pushrod, not the pedal side..I never got into the booster to figure out why they didn't retract fully, just replaced them.
To help narrow it down, go for a ride and when things act up, Crack the lines loose at the master. If there's a squirter then you're looking at master, booster, pedal. If not then move downstream.
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