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1971 440-6 dist. wiring #3050313
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on the 71 dual point distributors there are 2 extra wires coming out of the retard box. one end is red and one black. where do they connect? there are no places that i am aware of to connect them?

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Re: 1971 440-6 dist. wiring [Re: ek3] #3050323
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Dual point distributors only have 1 lead coming out of them. Take the cap off and take another picture, you likely have a electronic conversion replacing the points shruggy wink

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Originally Posted by TJP
Dual point distributors only have 1 lead coming out of them. Take the cap off and take another picture, you likely have a electronic conversion replacing the points shruggy wink


He's got the vacuum retard mechanism. I had one decades ago but forget how the retard works. Got rid of it with one of the first Mopar electronic ignition conversions. I recall GM locked out vacuum advance until 3rd gear, they used a solenoid, easily bypassed, just cannot recall what Mopar did.


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Re: 1971 440-6 dist. wiring [Re: TJP] #3050328
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This is the vacuum solenoid retard. The service manual talks about it in the electrical section chap 8. The bullet is the feed and female goes to ground. I am not sure how the engine harness is set up as I have not seen or worked on one.

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Re: 1971 440-6 dist. wiring [Re: dragon slayer] #3050359
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those 2 wires hook to somthing. they are not long enough to connect to anything . there must be another pair of connectors that fit on the 2 leads? there is this "blue wire" {photo} ---that also is connected to the idol solinoid. it gets a black clip to mount the wire to that bracket. anyone have a photo of survivior 71 6 pack with this wiring shown?

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Does the black wire reach the solenoid male terminal at the top of solenoid. I imagine the engine harness for this option would have the power feed harness on it. The 71 service manual shows a DBL wire to the red bullet power feed coming from a #1 splice. Which is the splice in the J2 wire that feed ballast and VR wires. There might be a jumper to get the black wire to the terminal of the solenoid for idle.

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Red connector goes to a dark green which goes to field lug on alternator, black to idle stop solenoid.

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There’s an additional wiring harness needed for the solenoid. I believe Frank Badalson sells everything (harness clips, etc)

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I have ran that type of vacuum advance on several cars using NOS units. They pretty much seem to fail. I usually just disconnect the wiring and let the advance work manually.

Re: 1971 440-6 dist. wiring [Re: 3hundred] #3050432
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Originally Posted by 3hundred
Originally Posted by TJP
Dual point distributors only have 1 lead coming out of them. Take the cap off and take another picture, you likely have a electronic conversion replacing the points shruggy wink


He's got the vacuum retard mechanism. I had one decades ago but forget how the retard works. Got rid of it with one of the first Mopar electronic ignition conversions. I recall GM locked out vacuum advance until 3rd gear, they used a solenoid, easily bypassed, just cannot recall what Mopar did.


I stand corrected, spank, thank you 3hundred thumbs

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Originally Posted by floyd
There’s an additional wiring harness needed for the solenoid. I believe Frank Badalson sells everything (harness clips, etc)
thats what i thought . thanks !!!

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He sells the two clips circled in green as well.

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Originally Posted by floyd
He sells the two clips circled in green as well.
i have the blue wire connected. i need the wire shown and clips and the other wire coming out od dist. goes to somthing. its a male red tip plug.

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Re: 1971 440-6 dist. wiring [Re: shakerjoe] #3050791
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thanks ! ! ! I got the clip and extra wire harness from frank and the red wire goes to the alt !! up

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Re: 1971 440-6 dist. wiring [Re: ek3] #3050813
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Sweet! I’m looking forward to seeing the car at Carlisle.

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