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Re: how long will a battery last? [Re: an8sec70cuda] #3043582
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My Optima yellow-top is at least 10 years old and still going. Still starts after sitting for months with no tender.


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Re: how long will a battery last? [Re: Sniper] #3043724
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Originally Posted by Sniper
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Ok . . . so maybe I am the outlier here . . . I have the FACTORY batteries in my 2002 Cummins ! Both still show the 'green" eye, and test good ! . . . I have always made sure to check the fluid level and top up with distilled water. Also, have had battery maintainer on then when I am not driving the truck. I generally only use the truck in the spring/summer/fall, and even then it is for towing the travel trailer or the car trailer . . . it sits with the battery maintainer on there - I do check to make sure all is good, and have changed battery maintainers over the years. I also have the factory battery in my 2004 Crossfire & 2006 Magnum. Yup, when not in use, I put battery maintainer on them.

So, 20 years from original batteries . . . never heard of, but I can prove it can be done !

Like anything, it is how it gets utilized, maintained . . . figure if I can pop caps off to check fluid level, then I check it !

Best of luck to all !

Cheers


Batteries have date codes stamped on them, sometimes it's a sticker.

https://batteryglobe.com/how-to-read-car-battery-date-codes/

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Here are pics of the truck batteries . . . 2002 Cummins, 135k km (81k miles) on truck.

truck bat 1.jpgtruckbat 1a.jpgtruck bat 2.jpgtruck bat 2a.jpg
Re: how long will a battery last? [Re: a12rag] #3043725
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Here is OE battery from 2006 Magnum, 231k km (144k miles) . . .

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Re: how long will a battery last? [Re: a12rag] #3043739
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Originally Posted by a12rag
Originally Posted by Sniper
Originally Posted by a12rag
Ok . . . so maybe I am the outlier here . . . I have the FACTORY batteries in my 2002 Cummins ! Both still show the 'green" eye, and test good ! . . . I have always made sure to check the fluid level and top up with distilled water. Also, have had battery maintainer on then when I am not driving the truck. I generally only use the truck in the spring/summer/fall, and even then it is for towing the travel trailer or the car trailer . . . it sits with the battery maintainer on there - I do check to make sure all is good, and have changed battery maintainers over the years. I also have the factory battery in my 2004 Crossfire & 2006 Magnum. Yup, when not in use, I put battery maintainer on them.

So, 20 years from original batteries . . . never heard of, but I can prove it can be done !

Like anything, it is how it gets utilized, maintained . . . figure if I can pop caps off to check fluid level, then I check it !

Best of luck to all !

Cheers


Batteries have date codes stamped on them, sometimes it's a sticker.

https://batteryglobe.com/how-to-read-car-battery-date-codes/

Post pictures.


Here are pics of the truck batteries . . . 2002 Cummins, 135k km (81k miles) on truck.



Apparently I needed to spell out POST PICTURES OF THE DATE CODES

Re: how long will a battery last? [Re: Sinitro] #3043747
05/19/22 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Sinitro
Battery Tenders do have issues...
I had 1 that shorted out and melted the case...
I took a picture and sent a message back to their corporate headquarters, but they didn't want the unit returned but they did sent me a replacement.
But a week later, their head of engineering called me and requested I see back the defective unit for their inspection and failure analysis...
Too late it was already tossed into the dumpster.
Note that 1 drawback of a battery tender that it does not address sulphate buildup which adds resistance and can destroy a unit.
So I started using a battery minder product, that sends a high voltage spike every 5 seconds to burn off the sulphate buildup.
5 years later using the battery minder, to date no problems and unit remains cool....

Just my $0.02... wink

I read somewhere that to charge a battery right it needs at least 16 volts at first then taper back to eat the sulphate.
My great grandfather made up his own set of batteries to run the lights on the farm (30s) had a lot of them in a shed that he maintained with acid and lead plates. He charged them with steam generator during the day. Only farm in Rock Hill that had lights. Mom said he was a smart guy.

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Re: how long will a battery last? [Re: Sniper] #3043851
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Originally Posted by Sniper
Originally Posted by a12rag
Originally Posted by Sniper
Originally Posted by a12rag
Ok . . . so maybe I am the outlier here . . . I have the FACTORY batteries in my 2002 Cummins ! Both still show the 'green" eye, and test good ! . . . I have always made sure to check the fluid level and top up with distilled water. Also, have had battery maintainer on then when I am not driving the truck. I generally only use the truck in the spring/summer/fall, and even then it is for towing the travel trailer or the car trailer . . . it sits with the battery maintainer on there - I do check to make sure all is good, and have changed battery maintainers over the years. I also have the factory battery in my 2004 Crossfire & 2006 Magnum. Yup, when not in use, I put battery maintainer on them.

So, 20 years from original batteries . . . never heard of, but I can prove it can be done !

Like anything, it is how it gets utilized, maintained . . . figure if I can pop caps off to check fluid level, then I check it !

Best of luck to all !

Cheers


Batteries have date codes stamped on them, sometimes it's a sticker.

https://batteryglobe.com/how-to-read-car-battery-date-codes/

Post pictures.


Here are pics of the truck batteries . . . 2002 Cummins, 135k km (81k miles) on truck.



Apparently I needed to spell out POST PICTURES OF THE DATE CODES




Uh . . . that is all that is on the factory batteries - labels on the top. . . . if you think I am making it all up, whatever. I know my machines and what I do to look after them. I was only posting this out of information for all to see what could be done. Why would I post something that is not true ?? Not here to spread disinformation. Merely stating my experience, sorry that you doubt my words . . .

Cheers

M

Re: how long will a battery last? [Re: a12rag] #3044266
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My 05 300C is still sporting the original battery. Not my usual experience tho, more like 6-8 years.

My big trucks run 4 Type 31, usually 1000 CCA. Anything much over 3 years is a gift because at least one of them will give up the ghost. Rinse repeat .

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Re: how long will a battery last? [Re: a12rag] #3044281
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Originally Posted by a12rag

Uh . . . that is all that is on the factory batteries - labels on the top. . . . if you think I am making it all up, whatever. I know my machines and what I do to look after them. I was only posting this out of information for all to see what could be done. Why would I post something that is not true ?? Not here to spread disinformation. Merely stating my experience, sorry that you doubt my words . . .

Cheers

M


If you want everyone to believe you have the original 20 year old batteries in your truck and aren't mistaken about having replaced it you are going to have to post a shot of the date code. I posted a link on where to find those date codes.

Re: how long will a battery last? [Re: Sniper] #3044299
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Years ago, for my 49 Plymouth convert I bought a new 6 volt original style battery from Newcastle. The first one lasted less than a year, and they exchanged it under warranty. The next one failed fairly promptly as well and again they warranted it. The third one was still going strong after 12 years. When I took it out of the car to get another car that was lacking a battery started, it slipped out of my hands and cracked open on the floor. Who knows how long that battery may have lasted? It's too bad I wrecked it. It's puzzling how it's siblings died so young, but it was able to attain geezer status. confused


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Re: how long will a battery last? [Re: cudaman1969] #3044326
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The battery minder sends a 4KV(low current) spike every 10 seconds...
This supposedly burns off any sulphate buildup...

Just my $0.02... wink

Re: how long will a battery last? [Re: rhad] #3044744
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The worst battery I have ever had is an optima red top. Purchased 8/25/20 and I just replaced it for the third time. Most batteries give me 7-8 years in daily drivers, thought the optima would be better, parts store said they are not what they used to be, lots of issues. Interstate batteries were always junk for me also.

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Originally Posted by 4406bbl
The worst battery I have ever had is an optima red top. Purchased 8/25/20 and I just replaced it for the third time. Most batteries give me 7-8 years in daily drivers, thought the optima would be better, parts store said they are not what they used to be, lots of issues. Interstate batteries were always junk for me also.
I have had excellent luck with both Optima and Interstate batteries.

Re: how long will a battery last? [Re: 4406bbl] #3044804
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Originally Posted by 4406bbl
The worst battery I have ever had is an optima red top. Purchased 8/25/20 and I just replaced it for the third time. Most batteries give me 7-8 years in daily drivers, thought the optima would be better, parts store said they are not what they used to be, lots of issues. Interstate batteries were always junk for me also.


Something with your situation is strange, or your supplier has old product. That is not a normal problem.


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Re: how long will a battery last? [Re: a12rag] #3044805
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Originally Posted by a12rag
Originally Posted by Sniper
Originally Posted by a12rag
Ok . . . so maybe I am the outlier here . . . I have the FACTORY batteries in my 2002 Cummins ! Both still show the 'green" eye, and test good ! . . . I have always made sure to check the fluid level and top up with distilled water. Also, have had battery maintainer on then when I am not driving the truck. I generally only use the truck in the spring/summer/fall, and even then it is for towing the travel trailer or the car trailer . . . it sits with the battery maintainer on there - I do check to make sure all is good, and have changed battery maintainers over the years. I also have the factory battery in my 2004 Crossfire & 2006 Magnum. Yup, when not in use, I put battery maintainer on them.

So, 20 years from original batteries . . . never heard of, but I can prove it can be done !

Like anything, it is how it gets utilized, maintained . . . figure if I can pop caps off to check fluid level, then I check it !

Best of luck to all !

Cheers


Batteries have date codes stamped on them, sometimes it's a sticker.

https://batteryglobe.com/how-to-read-car-battery-date-codes/

Post pictures.


Here are pics of the truck batteries . . . 2002 Cummins, 135k km (81k miles) on truck.



Those batteries would probably test bad if you load tested them. But you have a cummins, and they start super easy so you get by. Your situation would never happen with a ford diesel lol.


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Re: how long will a battery last? [Re: Bad340fish] #3044832
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Originally Posted by Bad340fish
Originally Posted by 4406bbl
The worst battery I have ever had is an optima red top. Purchased 8/25/20 and I just replaced it for the third time. Most batteries give me 7-8 years in daily drivers, thought the optima would be better, parts store said they are not what they used to be, lots of issues. Interstate batteries were always junk for me also.


Something with your situation is strange, or your supplier has old product. That is not a normal problem.


I hope you are right, and this new one lasts. The Optimas were not old, they were within 2 months of sale date. Both died right after winter in 2 separate caravans, almost exactly the same month. One day it starts fine, the next flat dead, would not charge. Both vans were fine with traditional batteries, getting 7-8 years out of them. When they tested them they said they were junk and would not accept a charge.

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Originally Posted by a12rag
Originally Posted by Sniper
Originally Posted by a12rag
Ok . . . so maybe I am the outlier here . . . I have the FACTORY batteries in my 2002 Cummins ! Both still show the 'green" eye, and test good ! . . . I have always made sure to check the fluid level and top up with distilled water. Also, have had battery maintainer on then when I am not driving the truck. I generally only use the truck in the spring/summer/fall, and even then it is for towing the travel trailer or the car trailer . . . it sits with the battery maintainer on there - I do check to make sure all is good, and have changed battery maintainers over the years. I also have the factory battery in my 2004 Crossfire & 2006 Magnum. Yup, when not in use, I put battery maintainer on them.

So, 20 years from original batteries . . . never heard of, but I can prove it can be done !

Like anything, it is how it gets utilized, maintained . . . figure if I can pop caps off to check fluid level, then I check it !

Best of luck to all !

Cheers


Batteries have date codes stamped on them, sometimes it's a sticker.

https://batteryglobe.com/how-to-read-car-battery-date-codes/

Post pictures.


Here are pics of the truck batteries . . . 2002 Cummins, 135k km (81k miles) on truck.



Have a 2000 Cummins, changed the original batteries in 2020, both group 27 mopar originals, green eye still green, bought the truck new. I changed them because 1 barely passed a load test, figured I did not want to wait and fry the alternator or wiring. 85,000 miles never driven in winter, heated garage kept, so it sat 6 months out of the year, always started right up.

Re: how long will a battery last? [Re: 4406bbl] #3044883
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Originally Posted by 4406bbl
Originally Posted by a12rag
Originally Posted by Sniper
Originally Posted by a12rag
Ok . . . so maybe I am the outlier here . . . I have the FACTORY batteries in my 2002 Cummins ! Both still show the 'green" eye, and test good ! . . . I have always made sure to check the fluid level and top up with distilled water. Also, have had battery maintainer on then when I am not driving the truck. I generally only use the truck in the spring/summer/fall, and even then it is for towing the travel trailer or the car trailer . . . it sits with the battery maintainer on there - I do check to make sure all is good, and have changed battery maintainers over the years. I also have the factory battery in my 2004 Crossfire & 2006 Magnum. Yup, when not in use, I put battery maintainer on them.

So, 20 years from original batteries . . . never heard of, but I can prove it can be done !

Like anything, it is how it gets utilized, maintained . . . figure if I can pop caps off to check fluid level, then I check it !

Best of luck to all !

Cheers


Batteries have date codes stamped on them, sometimes it's a sticker.

https://batteryglobe.com/how-to-read-car-battery-date-codes/

Post pictures.


Here are pics of the truck batteries . . . 2002 Cummins, 135k km (81k miles) on truck.



Have a 2000 Cummins, changed the original batteries in 2020, both group 27 mopar originals, green eye still green, bought the truck new. I changed them because 1 barely passed a load test, figured I did not want to wait and fry the alternator or wiring. 85,000 miles never driven in winter, heated garage kept, so it sat 6 months out of the year, always started right up.


Sounds like our trucks are similar - mine sits through the winter also. I have LOAD TESTED both batteries, separately of course, all still ok . . .

Re: how long will a battery last? [Re: rhad] #3044884
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my CarQuest guy handles Harris Batteries. I've gotten 11+ years out of them.


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my CarQuest guy handles Harris Batteries. I've gotten 11+ years out of them.


I had never heard of Harris

https://www.harrisbattery.com/product-category/commercial-automotive/

interesting

review and overview

https://www.solarreviews.com/blog/harris-battery-review

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Since when is 33% (13.5 vs 10.2) more considered "slightly"........................


Harris ReLi24-10.2 Generac PWRcell LG RESU10H Prime Tesla Powerwall
Cost* $7,000-$8,500. $10,000 $7,000-$8,000 $8,500
Capacity 10.2 kWh. 9 kWh. 9.6 kWh 13.5 kwh
*Cost before installation

Cost
The Harris battery with 10.2 kWh capacity costs between $7,000 and $8,500 before installation.

This price is better than the Generac PWRcell with 9 kWh capacity at $10,000. The Harris battery is roughly within the same price range as the LG RESU10H Prime with 9.6 kWh capacity, which costs between $7,000 and $8,000. The Tesla Powerwall with 13.5 kWh capacity costs $8,500, but comes with slightly higher capacity than the others.

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