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Re: Selling a hemi car privately. What aPain [Re: srt] #3043682
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Originally Posted by srt
Any chance fuel sloshing around on trip and ethanol laced fuel on fuel system components could have changed anything?
This is part of the subjective stuff than can be cleared up on the suggested "fact finding" inquiry.
I wouldn't open a can of worms, nor be the catalyst that gets this guy coming at you. Just a simple q "what's your idea to fix".
Bottom line is that if he does not "go away" the list of "stuff" might become unfathomable.



This car was rebuilt correctly. Built to OE Gold standards.
The car is stunning front to back. Highly detailed.
Car ran perfectly for 30 miles. Dropped it off then 20 minutes later started right up and moved in to his garage. Idled perfectly.
I've owned rhis car for close to 20 years. Always ran great and started right up.
There is no way this car needed a tune up.
Brought it to a bunch of car cruises throughout the years.
This guy was just a royal PITA containing about everything.
The deal went smooth up until I got all the funds then all of a sudden a million questions over and over.
I knew then and there, it was phucked.

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You need to step back from this and get focused on what you can control. Worrying about what texts you have about an unsigned bill of sale isn’t going to get this to go away. Sure, save those, but as tjp said, a court may laugh at that as anything to be concerned with.

Cease communications until you speak to an attorney, and focus on finding one with experience with such a mess. Or wait until his sends a letter and then get one. These are things you can control. If you want to ask him what it will take to “make this right” to get you peace on the matter, that’s another thing you can control. Personally I would see if he moves on before doing that one.

History of the future- if he’s a game player with means or an accomplice attorney(himself, brother, friend) he can shake you down. A lawsuit will cost at least 15k. For you. He may not face as much if he has the right setup. The game will be chicken to see who will shell out the opening salvo in court, or see if the other guy coughs up 5k to make it go away. He’ll drum up a 30k invoice for a paint job, parts missing, engine work, etc. so you will have to choose to fight on principle or pay a lesser amount to get away from him. Will a judge or jury have knowledgeable car people that will see the issues with understanding, or will they see pictures taken to accent a flaky spot or rust on the back of a bumper and see it as you sold him a lemon?


This - stop all communication until he makes the next move, which I doubt he even does as it sounds like he is hoping you just send him money. I doubt he gets an attorney involved and likely goes away but he wont until you stop communicating with him.

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Originally Posted by Dart 500
Originally Posted by SomeCarGuy
You need to step back from this and get focused on what you can control. Worrying about what texts you have about an unsigned bill of sale isn’t going to get this to go away. Sure, save those, but as tjp said, a court may laugh at that as anything to be concerned with.

Cease communications until you speak to an attorney, and focus on finding one with experience with such a mess. Or wait until his sends a letter and then get one. These are things you can control. If you want to ask him what it will take to “make this right” to get you peace on the matter, that’s another thing you can control. Personally I would see if he moves on before doing that one.

History of the future- if he’s a game player with means or an accomplice attorney(himself, brother, friend) he can shake you down. A lawsuit will cost at least 15k. For you. He may not face as much if he has the right setup. The game will be chicken to see who will shell out the opening salvo in court, or see if the other guy coughs up 5k to make it go away. He’ll drum up a 30k invoice for a paint job, parts missing, engine work, etc. so you will have to choose to fight on principle or pay a lesser amount to get away from him. Will a judge or jury have knowledgeable car people that will see the issues with understanding, or will they see pictures taken to accent a flaky spot or rust on the back of a bumper and see it as you sold him a lemon?


This - stop all communication until he makes the next move, which I doubt he even does as it sounds like he is hoping you just send him money. I doubt he gets an attorney involved and likely goes away but he wont until you stop communicating with him.
Excellent advice.


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Originally Posted by Dart 500
Originally Posted by SomeCarGuy
You need to step back from this and get focused on what you can control. Worrying about what texts you have about an unsigned bill of sale isn’t going to get this to go away. Sure, save those, but as tjp said, a court may laugh at that as anything to be concerned with.

Cease communications until you speak to an attorney, and focus on finding one with experience with such a mess. Or wait until his sends a letter and then get one. These are things you can control. If you want to ask him what it will take to “make this right” to get you peace on the matter, that’s another thing you can control. Personally I would see if he moves on before doing that one.

History of the future- if he’s a game player with means or an accomplice attorney(himself, brother, friend) he can shake you down. A lawsuit will cost at least 15k. For you. He may not face as much if he has the right setup. The game will be chicken to see who will shell out the opening salvo in court, or see if the other guy coughs up 5k to make it go away. He’ll drum up a 30k invoice for a paint job, parts missing, engine work, etc. so you will have to choose to fight on principle or pay a lesser amount to get away from him. Will a judge or jury have knowledgeable car people that will see the issues with understanding, or will they see pictures taken to accent a flaky spot or rust on the back of a bumper and see it as you sold him a lemon?


This - stop all communication until he makes the next move, which I doubt he even does as it sounds like he is hoping you just send him money. I doubt he gets an attorney involved and likely goes away but he wont until you stop communicating with him.


After he tried to extort money from me and started handing me this bull chit about fouled sparkplug and bad sparkplug wires and needing a tuneup. BTW it had a Pertronix setup under the distributor cap. I knew this guy was going to be trouble and keep complaining so I blocked him.
He sent a few more texts and tried calling 3 more times. Hopefully he just goes away.

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Originally Posted by Sammy
Originally Posted by Dart 500
Originally Posted by SomeCarGuy
You need to step back from this and get focused on what you can control. Worrying about what texts you have about an unsigned bill of sale isn’t going to get this to go away. Sure, save those, but as tjp said, a court may laugh at that as anything to be concerned with.

Cease communications until you speak to an attorney, and focus on finding one with experience with such a mess. Or wait until his sends a letter and then get one. These are things you can control. If you want to ask him what it will take to “make this right” to get you peace on the matter, that’s another thing you can control. Personally I would see if he moves on before doing that one.

History of the future- if he’s a game player with means or an accomplice attorney(himself, brother, friend) he can shake you down. A lawsuit will cost at least 15k. For you. He may not face as much if he has the right setup. The game will be chicken to see who will shell out the opening salvo in court, or see if the other guy coughs up 5k to make it go away. He’ll drum up a 30k invoice for a paint job, parts missing, engine work, etc. so you will have to choose to fight on principle or pay a lesser amount to get away from him. Will a judge or jury have knowledgeable car people that will see the issues with understanding, or will they see pictures taken to accent a flaky spot or rust on the back of a bumper and see it as you sold him a lemon?


This - stop all communication until he makes the next move, which I doubt he even does as it sounds like he is hoping you just send him money. I doubt he gets an attorney involved and likely goes away but he wont until you stop communicating with him.


After he tried to extort money from me and started handing me this bull chit about fouled sparkplug and bad sparkplug wires and needing a tuneup. BTW it had a Pertronix setup under the distributor cap. I knew this guy was going to be trouble and keep complaining so I blocked him.
He sent a few more texts and tried calling 3 more times. Hopefully he just goes away.

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I'll bet he doesn't pity There is some experienced advice in this post that you should be listening to. Some Car Guy's input is one, mine is another SRT's is another yet, and maybe a few more. I would suggest being proactive (step 1 Attorney) rather than burying your head in the sand HOPING he'll go away.(Not trying to be offensive just stating facts). Being Reactive is usually not a good idea for several reasons
The things he's complaining about would be less that 2k to fix at the most. A person that spent 100K (guessing) on a car is not going to be acting this way. I have dealt with many customers over the last 25 years that have been FRIED on purchases. in almost all cases the repairs are made or the cars have gone to auction. Only ONE went back to the seller demanding his $$ back on a blatant fraud. The did not know who he was dealing with smile
A close relative of a very wealthy well known individual with influential AND world wide contacts, OOPPS. BTW this same individual has over 125 cars in his collection. He had been burned before and this was the only time he went back to the seller. The seller told him to take a hike and soon after received a call for the Tennessee State Attorney generals office encouraging him to buy the car back ASAP before things got ugly LMAO. The seller PROMPTLY sent a check overnight covering ALL the buyer's expenses including my fees, auction, and transportation costs. Don't know where the car wound up but I did look for it for several years.
the seller was also banned from the well known auction company as he had sold 4 or 5 other fraudulent cars at the same auction
I'm done trying to help at this point beer
FYI: there was an attorney that used to advertise in Hemmings that specialized in classic car transactions. Don't know if he is still advertising in there or not
Good luck and do keep us posted up

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Only thing to add is that buyer is pizzed. Not about 2k in work, but his perceived treatment of what seems minor as to what we are hearing. He feels there has been misrepresentation. Will it get worse the more he's ignored? Battle of wits vs battle of principals? We can't judge, have only given thoughts.

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Originally Posted by srt
Only thing to add is that buyer is pizzed. Not about 2k in work, but his perceived treatment of what seems minor as to what we are hearing. He feels there has been misrepresentation. Will it get worse the more he's ignored? Battle of wits vs battle of principals? We can't judge, have only given thoughts.


He had someone of his choosing look at the vehicle, IIRC. Then burden isn't on the OP, imo.

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Keep in mind the bow" flipped" or whatever as seller was taking it to delivery. Ran "perfectly" on trip to drop off.
I have no other basis for belief conditions changed post agent inspection (was that his appointed task?).
The bow itself could have been disclosed prior to transit, whild the perceived tune issues need to be figured out.
Each item can be further looked into, not to discredit either seller or buyer, simply to figure it out.
Heck price for what the seller is asking, negotiate a 50-50 split and be done with it.
Or not, and lose sleep and potential to spend lots of $ on a battle of wits and bowed backs.
p.s. we are basing our opinions based on one perspective and source of info.
Not judging anyone it's important to see it from both sides.

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Originally Posted by srt
Keep in mind the bow" flipped" or whatever as seller was taking it to delivery. Ran "perfectly" on trip to drop off.
I have no other basis for belief conditions changed post agent inspection (was that his appointed task?).
The bow itself could have been disclosed prior to transit, while the perceived tune issues need to be figured out.
Each item can be further looked into, not to discredit either seller or buyer, simply to figure it out.
Heck price for what the seller (did you mean buyer?)is asking, negotiate a 50-50 split and be done with it.
Or not, and lose sleep and potential to spend lots of $ on a battle of wits and bowed backs.
p.s. we are basing our opinions based on one perspective and source of info.
Not judging anyone it's important to see it from both sides.


Very well said and correct, IF you are dealing with a normal person which it does not sound like he is shruggy IF he is dealing with a SCROTE, there is no reasoning with them. Even asking them what they want / or will settle for only encourages them as they now:
1. Feel they are justified
2. Now have potential proof that you're admitting to their claims
3. Believe you knowingly misrepresented the transaction
4. Believe they now have the upper hand
5 .Will scrutinize every miniscule detail
6. In doing so, will find more problems and raise their demands.
7. Will follow though with an attorney as they now believe they have enough to win a judgment or get you to deposition where they will squeeze for even more $$ to settle.
8. At this point the OP has lost lots of sleep and $ on a battle that could not be reasonably resolved no matter what was offered

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The market has been super hot lately, hopefully it will remain that way despite the plunging stock market and general malaise our economy is falling into.
If the buyer is playing some game trying to extort money out of you, why not call his bluff. Tell him you will take the car back, and refund his money. Is he far away? Might have to pick it up, pay for shipping or split shipping, but get the car back. Tell him you have others interested in the car, you want a good home for it and he isn't happy so it would be best to sell it to someone who is really excited about owning it.
Unless he paid some outrageous price to you, you can almost certainly get the same selling price from another buyer.
Don't offer to refund any % of the sales price to cover problems he found real or imagined, just offer to take it back refunding the full selling price, with the stipulation it has to be in the same condition it was when you relinquished possession to him.

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Originally Posted by TJP
Originally Posted by srt
Keep in mind the bow" flipped" or whatever as seller was taking it to delivery. Ran "perfectly" on trip to drop off.
I have no other basis for belief conditions changed post agent inspection (was that his appointed task?).
The bow itself could have been disclosed prior to transit, while the perceived tune issues need to be figured out.
Each item can be further looked into, not to discredit either seller or buyer, simply to figure it out.
Heck price for what the seller (did you mean buyer?)is asking, negotiate a 50-50 split and be done with it.
Or not, and lose sleep and potential to spend lots of $ on a battle of wits and bowed backs.
p.s. we are basing our opinions based on one perspective and source of info.
Not judging anyone it's important to see it from both sides.


Very well said and correct, IF you are dealing with a normal person which it does not sound like he is shruggy IF he is dealing with a SCROTE, there is no reasoning with them. Even asking them what they want / or will settle for only encourages them as they now:
1. Feel they are justified
2. Now have potential proof that you're admitting to their claims
3. Believe you knowingly misrepresented the transaction
4. Believe they now have the upper hand
5 .Will scrutinize every miniscule detail
6. In doing so, will find more problems and raise their demands.
7. Will follow though with an attorney as they now believe they have enough to win a judgment or get you to deposition where they will squeeze for even more $$ to settle.
8. At this point the OP has lost lots of sleep and $ on a battle that could not be reasonably resolved no matter what was offered



I feel exactly the same and you are 100% correct.
This guy has more money than brains.
I'm just hoping this guy goes away. It's going to cost him more in lawyer fees that it's worth.
A few small repairs and this car is magnificent.

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Yes, Buyer.

We're participating in exchanging ideas based on what you've presented.
"older restoration" to "magnificent" is where the issue lays.
I think you have received a range of answers to what you have presented.
I believe you plan to ignore him and see what happens.
It seems the buyer feels some items were misrepresented, or changed after it was described/or seen.
Was his "agent" a knowledgeable inspector, or lizzard-skin deliverer?
I do believe that guy is the sort that the little fixes should have been disclosed. If something changed, a reasonable approach by both parties can get it resolved.
There is some items that could be clarified for those un-involved. (But I have no interest in hearing more details).
It will be interesting to hear of anything that transpires as the days wear on.

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Id almost be inlcined to go over there to see the guy and the car. If plugs and wires will shut him up change them and at the very least it's shown you've tried to make him happy. If the headliner bow flipped after his guy inspected it maybe find out how much it would cost to deal with that for him. If the bumper has issues tough s*!t. He can blame the guy who inspected it for him.
If this guy is a hot head ignoring him might make him start talking to an attorney.

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I would like to see a picture of this flipped headliner bow. Some things to this story dont add up. What year and model car is this. Pictures would help. Poster should post some pre sale pictures of this Gold class restoration.

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You're bolder than I as I tip-toed around the buyers story.
I'm not challenging the op position at all. The subjective part is we hear one perspective. We are not privy to all sorts of details. With that it is difficult to lay out a path to resolution.
The middle road typically is the less messy one regardless of the situation.

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Originally Posted by srt
You're bolder than I as I tip-toed around the buyers story.
I'm not challenging the op position at all. The subjective part is we hear one perspective. We are not privy to all sorts of details. With that it is difficult to lay out a path to resolution.
The middle road typically is the less messy one regardless of the situation.


It is quite simple, to me.

The buyer had an inspector of his choice look at it. The buyer bought it without any complaint. Now the buyer is wanting a refund of some sort. The time for negotiating the price was before cash was exchanged.

F-off would be my response.

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Originally Posted by srt
Yes, Buyer.

We're participating in exchanging ideas based on what you've presented.
"older restoration" to "magnificent" is where the issue lays.
I think you have received a range of answers to what you have presented.
I believe you plan to ignore him and see what happens.
It seems the buyer feels some items were misrepresented, or changed after it was described/or seen.
Was his "agent" a knowledgeable inspector, or lizzard-skin deliverer?
I do believe that guy is the sort that the little fixes should have been disclosed. If something changed, a reasonable approach by both parties can get it resolved.
There is some items that could be clarified for those un-involved. (But I have no interest in hearing more details).
It will be interesting to hear of anything that transpires as the days wear on.




His agent owns over 35 high end mopars and pontiac gross.
I told him about the headliner prior to him picking up the car for transport.
As far as an older restoration, when a car is restored correctly, and stored in a climate controlled environment, the car looked almost exactly as when it was restored.
The guy who inspected thought the car was absolutely beautiful.
He called the guy twice and said the car was super clean. The buyer rushed the sale and I was rushed off the property. I wasn't even able to get the bill of sale scanned and returned.

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I understood what you wrote and don't doubt any of what you are saying.
Update later will be nice.

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Sammy,

Have you made an appointment with your lawyer/attorney yet?

I'm not the only one who recommended this.

Mike.

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Originally Posted by moparmike1
Sammy,

Have you made an appointment with your lawyer/attorney yet?

I'm not the only one who recommended this.

Mike.



I spoke to my lawyer last night. I explained the situation and he said let's wait and see if this guy escalates the situation. No need to jump the gun but we are now prepared.

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