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Re: Lake Powell is 70% empty [Re: Dart 500] #3141963
05/02/23 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Dart 500
Originally Posted by Cab_Burge
Years ago, pre 1980, CA wanted to build a large undersea water pipe from the end of Columbia river down into northern CA for more fresh water,
Both Oregon and Washinton told them to go pound sand shruggy
I'm surprised that CA hasn't already built a water pipe, canal, conduit from the exit of the Roque and Klamath Rivers to capture that water flowing into the Pacific Ocean in southern Oregon shruggy whistling stirthepot devil


They were recently wanting a pipeline from the great lakes, they were given the same 1 finger salute grin


How would that even be possible, given the continental divide???

Re: Lake Powell is 70% empty [Re: Pacnorthcuda] #3141965
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Originally Posted by Pacnorthcuda
Originally Posted by Dart 500
Originally Posted by Cab_Burge
Years ago, pre 1980, CA wanted to build a large undersea water pipe from the end of Columbia river down into northern CA for more fresh water,
Both Oregon and Washinton told them to go pound sand shruggy
I'm surprised that CA hasn't already built a water pipe, canal, conduit from the exit of the Roque and Klamath Rivers to capture that water flowing into the Pacific Ocean in southern Oregon shruggy whistling stirthepot devil


They were recently wanting a pipeline from the great lakes, they were given the same 1 finger salute grin


How would that even be possible, given the continental divide???


Pump stations.

Re: Lake Powell is 70% empty [Re: HotRodDave] #3141984
05/02/23 12:28 PM
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i'm way east, but i was a "class clown" in school. does that count for anything ? biggrin
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Re: Lake Powell is 70% empty [Re: moparx] #3142070
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Originally Posted by moparx
i'm way east, but i was a "class clown" in school. does that count for anything ? biggrin
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Re: Lake Powell is 70% empty [Re: Pacnorthcuda] #3142083
05/02/23 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Pacnorthcuda
Originally Posted by Dart 500
Originally Posted by Cab_Burge
Years ago, pre 1980, CA wanted to build a large undersea water pipe from the end of Columbia river down into northern CA for more fresh water,
Both Oregon and Washinton told them to go pound sand shruggy
I'm surprised that CA hasn't already built a water pipe, canal, conduit from the exit of the Roque and Klamath Rivers to capture that water flowing into the Pacific Ocean in southern Oregon shruggy whistling stirthepot devil


They were recently wanting a pipeline from the great lakes, they were given the same 1 finger salute grin


How would that even be possible, given the continental divide???

Here in Colorado there are already 4 aqua ducts going under the Divide taking water from the west side and feeding the east side. City of Denver gets 50% of their water from the west side. Anything is possible if you throw enough money at it.


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Re: Lake Powell is 70% empty [Re: moparmarks] #3142131
05/02/23 09:59 PM
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Nothing will be done for free or little payback, Tesla comes to mind (AC electricity man) free energy for mankind, then he just ‘died’ guess who got all his papers.. the feds.
If californication said they’re give $10 a gallon Oregon starts the pipeline tomorrow.

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Re: Lake Powell is 70% empty [Re: moparmarks] #3142159
05/03/23 01:35 AM
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Isn't the west side of Colorado a lot higher than Denver and east of Denver?
Doesn't water flow downhill naturedly shruggy work


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Re: Lake Powell is 70% empty [Re: Cab_Burge] #3142172
05/03/23 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Cab_Burge
Isn't the west side of Colorado a lot higher than Denver and east of Denver?
Doesn't water flow downhill naturedly shruggy work


The truly crazy history is that the city of Denver has created 3 tunnels through the mountains to bring Colorado watershed water to their city where it is eventually discharged into the S Platte river which then drains into the Missouri watershed and then Mississippi watershed. Denver makes floods in New Orleans worse.

Half-American Winston Churchill said:
“you can always count on the Americans to do the right thing, but only after they have tried many wrong things.”

Re: Lake Powell is 70% empty [Re: 360view] #3142783
05/06/23 09:16 AM
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I watched the “Rivers End” film,
and learned some interesting stuff about Western USA water issues,
but the somewhat long article below
has stuff the Rivers End film makers must have known,
but intentionally left out:

Why California Insists on Wasting Its Scarce Water Supply
Edward Ring
Harvesting its abundant storm runoff would allow the state to leave the Colorado River alone.

May 5, 2023 5:34 pm ET

With the nation’s two largest reservoirs, Lake Powell and Lake Mead, drawn down to historic lows, the seven states that use water from the Colorado River have failed to agree on how to adapt to its dwindling flow. The impasse pits California against everyone else. If California’s political leaders had the political will, they could solve the problem for every member of the Colorado River Compact by developing infrastructure to use untapped sources of water. But to do that, the state Legislature would have to stand up to a powerful environmentalist lobby that views humans as parasites and demands rationing as the only acceptable policy.

Unlike anywhere else in the American Southwest, California can rely on so-called atmospheric rivers that saturate the state with enough rain to supply the state’s farms and cities with adequate water. Even in drought years, these storms blow in from the Pacific, hit the ramparts of the Sierra Nevada Mountains, and dump tens of millions of acre-feet of runoff into the streams and rivers. Californians can, and must, agree on new infrastructure solutions that will safely harvest more of this water for human consumption.

The Colorado crisis underscores California’s grotesque failure to upgrade its water infrastructure for the 21st century. Since 1980, Californians have endured five droughts, and politicians are predicting worse in the future. With groundwater aquifers dangerously depleted and access to Colorado River water imperiled, rationing won’t be enough.

It isn’t as if water abundance isn’t possible in California. The state’s 2021-22 water season recorded some of the lowest total precipitation ever. But in a single month, December 2021, well over 100 million acre-feet of rain fell during the one big storm that hit the state that year. If California had the capacity to capture more of that water, it would have been enough to supply full allocations to Golden State farmers and avoid rationing in cities. As it is, during this current water season, one of the wettest on record, politicians continue to warn Californians that “the drought isn’t over.”

There are two major projects that could unlock millions of acre-feet of new water for Californians. The first is to eliminate nutrient pollution in the San Francisco Bay, which feeds toxic algae blooms that kill aquatic life. The solution so far has been to dilute the nutrient loads in the bay by requiring massive diversions from the Sacramento-San Joaquin Delta—a little like flushing a toilet. But upgrading the urban wastewater-treatment facilities surrounding the bay would eliminate nutrient pollution, permitting more delta water to be directed to California’s farms and cities—a lot more water.

This rainy season started in October 2022. By the first day of spring, March 21, the net outflow (after pumping) from the delta into the bay was 11.6 million acre-feet but the state had only pumped 1 million acre-feet into the California Aqueduct, and the Federal Bureau of Reclamation had only pumped 826,000 acre-feet into the Delta-Mendota Canal. Despite record precipitation, the state had diverted only 13% of flood-level delta outflows into southbound aqueducts.

In late March and early April, as rain continued to pour in California and the biggest snowpack in decades began to melt, California’s water officials actually reduced pumping. Their reason? To protect endangered fish and maintain sufficient flow to flush out the nutrient pollution in the San Francisco Bay.

Even in a year with extraordinary rain and snow, California’s environmental extremists have done their utmost to prevent water managers from filling reservoirs, allow pumps to operate at capacity to fill the southbound aqueducts, and allow farmers to get their full water allocations so they can use runoff to irrigate instead of pumping already depleted groundwater. But even if California’s state government weren’t dominated by extremists, California’s water infrastructure would be stretched to the limit.

The second major project, then, would be for Californians to build new ways to extract and store water from the delta during atmospheric river events. A new technique, already demonstrated on the Tuolumne River, creates channels in some of the delta islands so that huge perforated pipes can be installed under a gravel bed. Fish aren’t endangered by such installations. This water could be rapidly transferred to aquifers south of the delta via surface percolation and deep injection. Unused aquifer capacity in the San Joaquin Valley is conservatively estimated at more than 50 million acre feet.

If Californians were willing to harvest additional millions of acre-feet from storm runoff in the Sacramento-San Joaquin watershed, and had the means to do so, they might not need any water from the Colorado River. This is how California can give back not only its share of Colorado River water, but cover its annual deficit of 2 million to 4 million acre-feet. Other states in the Colorado Basin might help fund these projects. Thinking big solves big problems. It’s time for California’s state Legislature permanently to solve the challenge of water scarcity in the American Southwest.

Mr. Ring cofounded the California Policy Center in 2013,
served as its first president,
and is a senior fellow.
He is the author of “The Abundance Choice: Our Fight for More Water in California.”

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