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AG Backeast/Datatags #3041225
05/10/22 02:15 PM
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Is Datatags toast? I keep getting conflicting info, Backeast sold the business to someone else, they went belly up, he retired but someone else is running the place.... What is going on? Anyone know?


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Re: AG Backeast/Datatags [Re: 6PakBee] #3041271
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Hopefully they got so tired of the fake tags they made being outed that they gave up. work

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from what what i heard the son is running it and he is 2 to 4 months backed up.

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I'd kind of like to have a fake fender tag made

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If it’s exactly like original, is it fake?

Re: AG Backeast/Datatags [Re: cudaman1969] #3041923
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Originally Posted by cudaman1969
If it’s exactly like original, is it fake?


I'd call that a reproduction. shruggy


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Re: AG Backeast/Datatags [Re: cudaman1969] #3041981
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Originally Posted by cudaman1969
If it’s exactly like original, is it fake?


Absolutely not, if it's an exact copy of the original that you still own, nope. You can't fake a tag, try to get the VON number correct not to mention the option codes and lay out correct, good luck. Just like the butterscotch 71 HEMI Cuda automatic that is suppose to be auctioned at at MECUM next week, the cowl stamp is terrible and the fender tags are an awful attempt and totally fake.

Re: AG Backeast/Datatags [Re: HEMICUDA] #3042063
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Originally Posted by HEMICUDA
Originally Posted by cudaman1969
If it’s exactly like original, is it fake?


Absolutely not, if it's an exact copy of the original that you still own, nope. You can't fake a tag, try to get the VON number correct not to mention the option codes and lay out correct, good luck. Just like the butterscotch 71 HEMI Cuda automatic that is suppose to be auctioned at at MECUM next week, the cowl stamp is terrible and the fender tags are an awful attempt and totally fake.

If it’s exact, identical, letter for letter, tell me how you could tell the difference? I have talked with people, he has the original dies and stamps that were used. He only makes one IF it has a build sheet, ibm card or original rusted or damaged tag.

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Originally Posted by davesmopars
from what what i heard the son is running it and he is 2 to 4 months backed up.


What is the current website, if any?


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Re: AG Backeast/Datatags [Re: cudaman1969] #3042762
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Originally Posted by cudaman1969
Originally Posted by HEMICUDA
Originally Posted by cudaman1969
If it’s exactly like original, is it fake?


Absolutely not, if it's an exact copy of the original that you still own, nope. You can't fake a tag, try to get the VON number correct not to mention the option codes and lay out correct, good luck. Just like the butterscotch 71 HEMI Cuda automatic that is suppose to be auctioned at at MECUM next week, the cowl stamp is terrible and the fender tags are an awful attempt and totally fake.

If it’s exact, identical, letter for letter, tell me how you could tell the difference? I have talked with people, he has the original dies and stamps that were used. He only makes one IF it has a build sheet, ibm card or original rusted or damaged tag.

It's not about telling the difference. In my book, every tag is a unique piece - they only made one. If someone makes an exact copy of an old painting, using the exact materials that the original artist used - do you consider it as a fake or a reproduction?
I think it depends on your definition of a tag being fake. Does it mean the information on it ist wrong or does it mean it's not the original tag. There are different opinions on that matter.

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Re: AG Backeast/Datatags [Re: SuperRob] #3042764
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If someone makes an exact copy of an old painting, using the exact materials that the original artist used - do you consider it as a fake or a reproduction?

In the art world its called a forgery.

Owning a forgery, on the other hand is unfortunate. Forgeries are defined as works deliberately made to resemble style, technique and manner of certain painter, in order to deceive prospective buyers. They are made to trick, and as such



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Re: AG Backeast/Datatags [Re: Mr PotatoHead] #3042767
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The repro fender tag deal is all about the motive behind it, IMO.
Deception & untruth intended to misrepresent is wrong, whether it's a FT, artwork, etc.
If a FT was reproduced accurately, with the true info (documented), because the original was rusty/damaged, I'm OK with that.
Best is to have the old tag & Broadcast Sheet so there's no doubt.

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Originally Posted by Mr PotatoHead
If someone makes an exact copy of an old painting, using the exact materials that the original artist used - do you consider it as a fake or a reproduction?

In the art world its called a forgery.

Owning a forgery, on the other hand is unfortunate. Forgeries are defined as works deliberately made to resemble style, technique and manner of certain painter, in order to deceive prospective buyers. They are made to trick, and as such


For the two above, it’s not a painting, it’s a piece of steel stamped with the SAME factory dies. If you think you could tell the difference I call BS. As far as why it’s being made, lost, stolen, rusted away or to shut people up on why it doesn’t have one. As long as the car has documentation it’s legit. This guy WON’T make one unless you got the paperwork.

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well Mr potato head in the Art World a reproduction is called a reproduction , a forgery is a copy ment to decieve someone into believing it is an original

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I always find this topic humorist and usually hypocritical too. So what else on the car is a forgery. The restoration of the alternator and the stamping of diodes, the Voltage regulator and all the other ink stamp, labels and date code stamps used to make it look original? Carburetor parts? The actual paint, let alone reproduction parts made overseas with part numbers cast in? You name it and it is copied, and detailed to look OEM new. But they are "accepted" forgeries. So that is ok. The Data tag is not in the hobby. The paper work is king, how the data tag became such a thing, is a little bizarre to me since it was exposed metal and can easily be rusted or removed and lost.

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Re: AG Backeast/Datatags [Re: dragon slayer] #3042989
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Anybody know what the current website is for whatever Data Tags has become?


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Re: AG Backeast/Datatags [Re: dragon slayer] #3043022
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Originally Posted by dragon slayer
I always find this topic humorist and usually hypocritical too. So what else on the car is a forgery. The restoration of the alternator and the stamping of diodes, the Voltage regulator and all the other ink stamp, labels and date code stamps used to make it look original? Carburetor parts? The actual paint, let alone reproduction parts made overseas with part numbers cast in? You name it and it is copied, and detailed to look OEM new. But they are "excepted" forgeries. So that is ok. The Data tag is not in the hobby. The paper work is king, how the data tag became such a think, is a little bizarre to me since it was exposed metal and can easily be rusted or removed and lost.


The problem becomes people changing them to reflect more desirable options, paint, drivetrain.

I think you meant to say "accepted".


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Re: AG Backeast/Datatags [Re: dragon slayer] #3043035
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Originally Posted by dragon slayer
how the data tag became such a think, is a little bizarre to me since it was exposed metal and can easily be rusted or removed and lost.


Some folks are stupidly judgemental of vehicles that don't have a tag.

Only way to stop is to put a tag on.

The vin will tell you, "you've got a 1969 Hemi road runner built at X plant".
For many of us, that is really enough to start with and we can figure out the rest.

Elitist snobs aren't ever happy with just the VIN, they will lose their minds that you can't prove it was an original 4 speed car or whatever detail they choose,
because there is no tag.

To some extent, putting a car up for sale invites that activity. But I've seen it happen on display vehicles that were not for sale.

A repro tag puts a stop to most of that.


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Originally Posted by ZIPPY
Originally Posted by dragon slayer
how the data tag became such a think, is a little bizarre to me since it was exposed metal and can easily be rusted or removed and lost.


Some folks are stupidly judgemental of vehicles that don't have a tag.

Only way to stop is to put a tag on.

The vin will tell you, "you've got a 1969 Hemi road runner built at X plant".
For many of us, that is really enough to start with and we can figure out the rest.

Elitist snobs aren't ever happy with just the VIN, they will lose their minds that you can't prove it was an original 4 speed car or whatever detail they choose,
because there is no tag.

To some extent, putting a car up for sale invites that activity. But I've seen it happen on display vehicles that were not for sale.

A repro tag puts a stop to most of that.


Stop using sense, it does not work with the elitist snobs on this board and elsewhere. If it is not 100% correct by the tag that they say was born with the car then it is a fraud and should be snubbed by the muscle car community... eyes


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