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Quest for 1000 hp, slow going! #3034979
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Mainly due to not getting parts, like intake valves, pistons. The new build is using the crower 4.315 stroke ccw crank i have had since 2005. It started life at 4.15 but was offset ground. I ordered 572-13 385cnc heads , pistons and valvetrain from Todd at Marsh Performance, along with a BME aluminum block in 4.500 bore. Todd has been great to work with, but like everybody else is waiting on parts.
My heads are going to get a little extra TLC to add a few more cfm flow.
The cam will be the same Mike Jones inverted radious cam that made 926 hp with 440-1 heads. The 3X intake got ported by Wilson manifolds, the compression will be as close to 15/1 as i can get, rings are .9mm(.036). Line2line skirt coating on the pistons, dlc coated .205 wall piston pins. Molnar 7.1 long rods, 2.2 rod bearings.
I have a 4.5 inch vacuum pump pulley which will turn the pump as fast as suggested max.
Terminater fuel injection, methanol fuel . I am hoping to see 1030 hp out of this deal, and my dart should weigh 2870 at the line. Hoping to run sub 8.50.


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Re: Quest for 1000 hp, slow going! [Re: gregsdart] #3035012
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Is the terminator EFI the throttle body system or port EFI? If it is a throttle body system do you have a carb to compare with it?

I hope you get your numbers!


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That 1000 hp level is tough in a typical normally aspirated engine.
extra CID, vacuum pump, windage control, gas ported pistons, Wilson ported intake, etc.... These things all help.

I think you have a chance. Some engines make 930 others 1030 and they may not seem all that different in "specs".

Are you waiting on all those parts? Where do the heads and prep stand?

Terminator pic from Ronsfuel website.

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Yeah slow going for parts almost everywhere. We haven't run a Mopar yet that was over 1000 hp but I'm sure it is just a matter of time. We have a 632 inch BB Chevy on the dyno this week and it should be over 1000 hp. It is a single 4 bbl cast intake with a 1250 carb. The engine could use a bigger carb but we have to use what he has since otherwise he'll need to wait 6 weeks for a new carb.

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Originally Posted by 440Jim
That 1000 hp level is tough in a typical normally aspirated engine.
extra CID, vacuum pump, windage control, gas ported pistons, Wilson ported intake, etc.... These things all help.

I think you have a chance. Some engines make 930 others 1030 and they may not seem all that different in "specs".

Are you waiting on all those parts? Where do the heads and prep stand?

Terminator pic from Ronsfuel website.


HA, I forgot about THAT Terminator Fuel Injection.....no need to have a carb on hand for comparison I am sure!


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Originally Posted by Bad340fish
Is the terminator EFI the throttle body system or port EFI? If it is a throttle body system do you have a carb to compare with it?

I hope you get your numbers!
thanks!
The injection is constant flow mechanical. No electronics involved. This type of injection is dirt symple, pretty much. The pump is engine driven at camshaft speed, and pumps twice what the motor needs. Eight hoses to nozzles of . 038 size, and a nineth hose with a pill of . 080 to dump off the excess fuel. A tenth hose is set up to open at above peak torque as pressure rises, pushing through a spring loaded poppet valve with a small pill sized to keep the afr in range.


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Originally Posted by 440Jim
That 1000 hp level is tough in a typical normally aspirated engine.
extra CID, vacuum pump, windage control, gas ported pistons, Wilson ported intake, etc.... These things all help.

I think you have a chance. Some engines make 930 others 1030 and they may not seem all that different in "specs".

Are you waiting on all those parts? Where do the heads and prep stand?

Terminator pic from Ronsfuel website.
time will tell, right? Right now we are waiting on intake valves and pistons. Heads wrre cnc'd, then off to get some extra tlc.

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Re: Quest for 1000 hp, slow going! [Re: gregsdart] #3035084
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Buddy of mine just had a 572 built at Best Machine. They wanted to build one of their cookie cutter engines with 1030 HP. 600-13 heads. He had them detune it, lower compression ratio, smaller cam, made 925.


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Originally Posted by Guitar Jones
Buddy of mine just had a 572 built at Best Machine. They wanted to build one of their cookie cutter engines with 1030 HP. 600-13 heads. He had them detune it, lower compression ratio, smaller cam, made 925.

Yep. I get that philosophy. But some of us just want to go faster. I have built some great bracket motors over the years. But, the itch to go faster has always been there.


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Originally Posted by gregsdart
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Buddy of mine just had a 572 built at Best Machine. They wanted to build one of their cookie cutter engines with 1030 HP. 600-13 heads. He had them detune it, lower compression ratio, smaller cam, made 925.

Yep. I get that philosophy. But some of us just want to go faster. I have built some great bracket motors over the years. But, the itch to go faster has always been there.


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Originally Posted by B3422W5
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Originally Posted by Guitar Jones
Buddy of mine just had a 572 built at Best Machine. They wanted to build one of their cookie cutter engines with 1030 HP. 600-13 heads. He had them detune it, lower compression ratio, smaller cam, made 925.

Yep. I get that philosophy. But some of us just want to go faster. I have built some great bracket motors over the years. But, the itch to go faster has always been there.


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I would bet you get your 1000hp +.

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Its certainly not impossible to get over 1000. Here is our pretty pedestrian 600-13 BBM out of our dragster, single 4bblunder 14-1compression and a smallish cam. Dynos are dynos, some are happy some are not. So FWIW the car has been 4.53 153 here in Las Vegas at 1920lbs with a 4.10 gear. We are in the middle of making it a bit more racey now with a couple points of compression and more aggressive camshaft. Will be posting results of that deal when and if we ever get the parts.

Currently along with the redo of this one we are working on a new Predator bracket piece for my truck. Time will tell what it makes but we expect it to make over 1100.

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Al, i assume that was a 600 cube motor? Great powerband. I am guessing the Predater deal will be well above 1100.


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I just put fresh valves in my junk. Took a week to get them from Manley

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Originally Posted by gregsdart
Al, i assume that was a 600 cube motor? Great powerband. I am guessing the Predater deal will be well above 1100.


Yes this one is 622" the torque and where it all occurs certainly gives away the stroke, but this thing is very conservative on compression and camshaft. Also needs a much bigger carb.. But I have made more power at 525" with a B1MC, never scanned the sheet though. Again dynos are dynos but that car went 170 at 2975lbs. Did ET worth a poo as it was set up for stop racing. The Predator will likely make more power than this 600-13 piece at a lot less cubes. But it is a better head, similar internals on each, both built for bracket and stop racing.


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Got a little more done today. Finished installing alL four brake calipers after draining the whole system.
Finished installing the belt drive. The belt drive wasn't too tough, just a challenge to not hurt the upper seal for the cam. It has to slide over a key on the cam adapter and i hope it will relax because it did show a mark after installing and removing a couple times during mock up.
After measuring all four open /close events, it came in at 110.5 on the intake and 117 exhaust. A half degree advanced at zero on the cam plate. Nice.

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Lots of duration at . 200 tappet lift. 205 intake, 213 exhaust

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