Botching my Cam Swap
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03/17/22 03:16 PM
03/17/22 03:16 PM
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2BblHarold
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I just did a cam swap on my 318, and I'm getting no love on start up. It barely runs for 3 seconds at a time. It actually behaves like the one time long ago my timing chain slipped on me, so my hunch is that the cam is out of synch. Facts to know: I installed the timing gear dot to dot. Standard key, no offset. I did not degree the cam. Cyl #1 at TDC. I realize that this will be TDC ignition stroke for #6. (Correct?) Timing gear and chain had about 3,000 miles, so basically new. I used a torque wrench throughout. With the build complete, I hand-rotated the crank once or twice to make sure everything spun, no problems detected. On fireup, I made sure the rotor was at #6 while crank was at TDC. I got some putter-putter, but no real firing, played with a few timing settings, no love. So I second guessed myself and reset the distributor 180 off. This time there was immediate fire, yes, outside the carb, so I knew I had it right the first time. I reset the distributor back to normal, and this time I got a little bit of firing...super low rpms, but it just wouldn't open up, even though I swept the dizzy through its entire range. Next, I reasoned my way through a reset of the intermediate shaft, thinking that I could sweep the dizzy through a different range of degrees, if you follow. (I'll add as an aside that it seems curious that we never talk about correctly referencing the slot for the distributor as part of an initial setup, maybe I'm thinking too hard). Carb and ignition worked fine before, newer Holley 600 is confirmed to be flowing. I have no reason to believe the stock balancer has rotated. Timing was fine on my last build of this same motor a few years ago. I've done this job twice with success, I'm no expert but I'm a bit baffled as to where I went wrong. Any thoughts appriciated.
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Re: Botching my Cam Swap
[Re: 2BblHarold]
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03/17/22 04:10 PM
03/17/22 04:10 PM
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Well the marks are all buttoned up now. But during the build, I knew that with dot to dot, the rotor should be at #6, and that's where it lined up to when dropped the distributor in. Seemed normal. That's not what I said. Pull number one plug. Bump it over until on compression. Rotate to line up line on balancer to 0 on tab. Then see where the rotor is pointing.
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Re: Botching my Cam Swap
[Re: lancer493]
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03/17/22 07:55 PM
03/17/22 07:55 PM
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Is this a brand new, flat tappet cam? How long have you been trying to start it? The break-in lube is probably gone at this point and firing it now would wipe the cam on break-in. Motor needs to fire almost immediately when breaking in a new flat tappet.
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Re: Botching my Cam Swap
[Re: A727Tflite]
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03/18/22 07:18 AM
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The orientation of the intermediate shaft means nothing.
As long as at TDC on #1 cylinder the rotor lines up with #1 wire you are good. The reason the service manuals show the orientation is so that by following the procedure the average person will be able to have enough distributor movement without the vacuum advance unit crashing in to anything.
The procedure came from the engine test stand assembly procedure when the engine was tested at Chrysler. Follow what Nitrousin said . Get TDC on #1, with both valves closed, and check the rotor location.
I doubt your lifters are the issue after all the attempts to start the engine. the slot doesn't matter IF you don't care about plug wire location on the cap. if the plug wire location on the cap is correct then the slot needs to be correct to allow for proper distributor movement. some people don't care; i do.
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Re: Botching my Cam Swap
[Re: MarkZ]
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03/18/22 04:42 PM
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Is this a brand new, flat tappet cam? How long have you been trying to start it? The break-in lube is probably gone at this point and firing it now would wipe the cam on break-in. Motor needs to fire almost immediately when breaking in a new flat tappet. Ideally yes but I've had two instances where we spun the motor over for a heck of a lot.longer than OPs stated 60 seconds and both motors were fine. One is videoed on my YouTube channel where we were trying to do break in in cold weather. Both times the cam was fine and the car went on to make 100s of 1/4 mile hits without issue. I've had guys tell me "if it don't start on the third spin take the cam out it's junk". Doubtful.
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