I agree with Diplomat360 as you can just feel the tension in this thread,as in several others lately. The point of the original writer is getting lost. It is very hard to convey points effectively and in a timely fashion as compared to a verbal discussion.Most of us are here because we want to run that personally favored engine/vehicle combo and not particularly because it makes more sense.Running a big block Moparis truly not the best choice if your looking just to go fast. Much better alternatives out there. Especially if finances are a big concern. I underststand where Mopar Dave is because I too chose the Victor heads. They are basically great heads for that easy to build 700hp big block Andy describes in his book. The early hype that surrounded suggested something different. I bit and others did too. So many issues if you want to go past 675-700hp. Spent several hours talking with member Jeremiah on this subject as well.I know Mopar Dave is just trying to wring of few more hp out of his combo.To get large gains at this point would be large money and large work, but we need guys like Dave to post their projects and pass on their findings to the rest of us. I am very appreciative of this. I know there would be more of us that could push the horsepower needle of the dyno past 700hp with a big block Mopar (NA), but you need resources and money. I don't believe that is indicative of the majority of members /readers here, so we need to be a little more in tune to that. I sure don't feel my arm being squeezed to read or respond to anything here that I may come across. No one has to do that. It's America, Land of the free, Home of the Respectful. Off my stump now, Bill.

So agreeing with someone pointing out a non-contributor to a thread is now considered "whining and complaining"? Have you not noticed all the non-contribution, snide remarks over the years from polyspheric?

Also, i looked back and i can't seem to find where only Diplomat 360 was made the remark Tsar.

Most forums have become technically useless over the years due to the "I'm better, smarter and have a bigger piston than you" mentality. and that has led to those with actual knowledge and experience to leave.

I don't really see any problem in this thread. Dave got some bad advice, or at least confusing advice, about valve lift and power so he asked a question. He got a pretty clear answer that less lift isn't going to make more power. He also was told that more lift may or may not make more power. Basically the answer in this thread is the same answer to most questions on this board, "try it and find out". Engines are complicated and nobody knows what will happen on any particular engine when some part of the combination is changed. Guys that spend a lot of time in a dyno cell or at the track are constantly getting surprised about what works and what doesn't work. On Dave's engine I can guarantee that less lift isn't going to make more power. My guess is that more lift might make a small amount of power but I doubt it would be worth the expense of new rocker arms and springs.

Harry's Taxi 2:


LOL, alright, I'll be the first one to say "sorry", but in this case I honestly don't even know what I should be appologizing for.

I only spotted your remark of "thumbs up" to GTS340's "...nobody cares..." remark, and I genuinely thought that we, as a group, can do a LOT better than to 'feed the troll' (as that appears to be the point that you are making about poly's previous contributions). In comparison, if you recall, my response to him was an actual diagram of the head and valve positioning in the chamber in relation to the cylinder block itself.

So be it, although I do not know people's history on these forums, and truthfully consider myself to be more of an outlier given my "affair" with M-body mopars!!!...therefore my interest most often lies in understanding the tech/science behind the issues and/or challenges we face while wrenching away on our rides.

...and NO, no one made me the "remark Tsar", I have no interest in that role, and much less so in that type of content...but if my comment did come across as such: you sir have my appolgy for that!

Apology very much accepted. I sometimes fail to realize typing doesn't always convey the intended message.

Really appreciate all the replys on this thread guys. I did learn from it. When i originally posted it, I thought that the valve did get closer to the cylinder wall as it opened, But thought it was the lifter side. So there is something learned here anyway and yes it looks like there is a loss in hp with reduced valve lift in my circumstance. The simulators show about 4hp loss going from 1.6 ratio to 1.5. Something Harland Sharp told me the other day, When checking rocker ratio with checking springs, the ratio may be as close to 1 full ratio higher, but when you install your heavy springs, it brings it back to or close to the advertised ratio.

....and then back up to theoretical max as/if it approaches loft.

Before some of you were born, almost every BBS had... (wait for it): rules.
One rule was "personal attacks on an author, without other content, result in banishment".

That would remove at least 20 people from this board.

The primary restraint against bad behavior is manners, sadly absent here.
Rules are for the discipline of those who have none, but misbehave.

What is a BBS?

Bulletin Board System...ahhh, good ol' days, when one enjoyed the modem's speaker crackle away as the connection to the "outside" world was initiated!!!

Short Version: the precursor to today's forums, such as our little home right here. BBS'es were often ran on invididual computers that folks would have running in their basements (I did), where the caller's modem would connect to your specific BBS number. Of course, some BBS'es were also hosted on bigger servers, especially as the amount of folks using their modem to connect to the Internet rapidly increased.

I'll throw in my unsolicited 2 cents.

I don't know polyspherics background but I get the impression he has a lot of experience and responds with a lot of good info.

Also would say, (and just my opinion) that he writes in a way that some people may find hard to understand without the same experience/background. (as in, great info but may mean absolutely nothing to people with no context/reference)

He then gets annoyed, as it seems most are dismissive, but from my perspective it would be received better with more explanation?

Completely open to the possibility of being entirely wrong here, but would say there have been many times I've searched a subject to see polyspherics edited posts saying "never mind" , etc, or essentially deleted and thinking..... I would really would have preferred to read his first comment.

So polyspheric, of course you are free to do as you please but again, I think what you may perceive as dismissive may be hard to understand by some without more explanation. That being said I think your efforts would best be left as originally intended than deleted but that's just my opinion.

This post and comments make me think of Mark Levin , PHD, the radio talk show host who write books that are way to wordy and way to long on making his points, so bad I can't read them.
Me thinks he is writing in that style to impress other PHD

When he posts something that he later realizes was incorrect or when he posts something that he is proud of and it doesn't receive the praise and worship that he is looking for he pouts and changes his posts to "never mind" or "have a nice day"
While his posts may sometimes contain information of value, it rarely seems relevant or beneficial to the thread and is almost always posted in a manner that screams "I'm smarter than you"

When he posts something that he later realizes was incorrect

Some of my work: http://victorylibrary.com/mopar/mopar-tech.htm
Find some mistakes.

Thought you gave up?

glad i don't get offended easily.
i'm old, and have been called everything in the book, except the "new", computer based, put downs.
i don't know what they mean, so fire away ! i just figure it's what i have been called in the past, only this time, it's the modern, present day interpretation of past descriptions.
it will take a lot to make me leave, but over the years, there has been MUCH knowledge lost from those that know, just because they got fed up with the constant barrage of snide remarks.
that's too bad. that knowledge would serve younger members well.
my old noggin is filled with cobwebs, and is slowly being overtaken with spiders, but i will continue to offer what i know works, and also continue to ask questions to refresh what the spiders have eaten up.

Can't we all just get along?

This is the part of Moparts I didn't miss while I was "on vacation" for almost 2 years. I've had a few with people here over the years (including at least one person on this thread), but it's not worth the oxygen now to bother. And that's coming from someone who is quick to admit I'm a "slow learner" about these things.