Quality lower ball joints.
#3016127
02/16/22 07:43 PM
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73cuda340
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I'm looking to buy new lower ball joints for my cuda. I've been searching for American made moog ball joints for it, but I can't seem to find any online, only the uppers. Are there any other quality replacement brands?
1973 Cuda 528 all aluminum Hemi, 4 speed, 3.23 Sure-Grip,
(JA5) Silver Frost Metallic
1973 Challenger Rallye 340
1985 W150 Power Ram prospector
1986 Camaro IROC-Z 305 tpi
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Re: Quality lower ball joints.
[Re: 73cuda340]
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02/17/22 03:26 AM
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Search Advance Auto Moog K781 or Moog https://www.moog-suspension-parts.com/search.asp?pg=1§ion0=&stext=K781Advance Auto's price is $74 at my local store. What I did a few years ago was ordered some Moog parts and they actually had them in stock at two local locations. My closest store had one part of the pair I need made in USA and the other made in Mexico. I called the other store and both parts were manufactured in USA......guess where I went. Moog lists the price as $81.01 on their site.
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Re: Quality lower ball joints.
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02/17/22 05:30 AM
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Before you decide what to buy, at least find out what NOS parts cost. The price might or might not be as crazy as you might expect.
I bought NOS lower ball joints for my car and was surprised that the movement between the ball joint stud and housing was 0.030" - 0.040" when new. The factory service manual says to replace lower ball joints when this reaches 0.070".
The original factory lower ball joints on my car arrived at 0.070" play at 160,000 miles.
If you want a hex tri-slot nut with SAE threads as original on your ball joint, note that many aftermarket ball joint studs have metric threads.
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Re: Quality lower ball joints.
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02/17/22 10:08 AM
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jbc426
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I had very bad luck with Moog ball joints, as have many others on this board. The last ones I bought fell apart in the box.
1970 Plymouth 'Cuda #'s 440-6(block in storage)currently 493" 6 pack, Shaker, 5 speed Passon, 4.10's 1968 Plymouth Barracuda Convertible 408 Magnum EFI with 4 speed automatic overdrive, 3800 stall lock-up converter and 4.30's (closest thing to an automatic 5 speed going)
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Re: Quality lower ball joints.
[Re: jbc426]
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02/17/22 12:50 PM
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i have been crabbing about moog quality for at least the last 15 years. the rubber boots crack in less time than it takes to think about the word "crack", even without driving the car and having it stored in the garage. the joints themselves also seem to wear out super quick. i don't know what to recommend for quality joints these days, although ProForged seems to have a reasonable reputation. it almost seems EVERYTHING is junk anymore. just my opinion as an old guy mumbling in his cheerio's. your results will vary.
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Re: Quality lower ball joints.
[Re: moparx]
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02/19/22 06:41 PM
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i have been crabbing about moog quality for at least the last 15 years. I the rubber boots crack in less time than it takes to think about the word "crack", even without driving the car and having it stored in the garage. the joints themselves also seem to wear out super quick. i don't know what to recommend for quality joints these days, although ProForged seems to have a reasonable reputation. it almost seems EVERYTHING is junk anymore. just my opinion as an old guy mumbling in his cheerio's. your results will vary. Same here moparx. Moog rubbers suck now. You can email their customer service from their site and ask about a specific part number and they'll give you the country of manufacture. American made stuff usually good except the rubber; it'll still crumble apart likely within a month or so. I also agree with kentj340. I always try and find NOS first, mostly on ebay. I've been able to find stuff now and then and can't go wrong with that.
Facts are stubborn things.
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Re: Quality lower ball joints.
[Re: 6PakBee]
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02/19/22 06:45 PM
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Is this a manufacturer or just supplier for different manufacturers? I notice they have the larger 11/16" tie rods for my AHB Diplomat. Interesting.
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Re: Quality lower ball joints.
[Re: TJP]
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02/20/22 10:19 AM
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Yea used Moog, but every box was made somewhere else than USA. Hopefully dont have any issues. Dont think theres a good one made in USA
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02/21/22 02:10 PM
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On a related note, when you grease your lower ball joints, be sure the front wheels are off the ground. That allows the grease to get between the internal contact patch of the joint. Until you lower the car at least. I used these guys ball joints on my Mopars. They are holding up dramatically better than the Moog parts. http://xrfauto.com/
1970 Plymouth 'Cuda #'s 440-6(block in storage)currently 493" 6 pack, Shaker, 5 speed Passon, 4.10's 1968 Plymouth Barracuda Convertible 408 Magnum EFI with 4 speed automatic overdrive, 3800 stall lock-up converter and 4.30's (closest thing to an automatic 5 speed going)
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Re: Quality lower ball joints.
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02/21/22 10:53 PM
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Speaking of all this suspension stuff, I bought a Kanter front-end kit back in 1991 & installed on my AAR. Ball joints, tie rod ends, control arm bushings, etc. I bought a separate idler arm - probably Moog (I think Moog was good quality back in 91), & re-used the original fast ratio pitman arm which appeared to be good condition.
Anyway, the car has not been completed STILL! (I know, I know.....). Anyway, many of the dust boots have already split, & the rubber bushings for upper control arms look to be visibly splitting/deteriorating. Mainly though, did Kanter kits use good quality components?
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Re: Quality lower ball joints.
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02/22/22 10:20 AM
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Speaking of all this suspension stuff, I bought a Kanter front-end kit back in 1991 & installed on my AAR. Ball joints, tie rod ends, control arm bushings, etc. I bought a separate idler arm - probably Moog (I think Moog was good quality back in 91), & re-used the original fast ratio pitman arm which appeared to be good condition.
Anyway, the car has not been completed STILL! (I know, I know.....). Anyway, many of the dust boots have already split, & the rubber bushings for upper control arms look to be visibly splitting/deteriorating. Mainly though, did Kanter kits use good quality components? From just sitting? That is not good. I bought some complete TRW front end kits in the mid '80's that are still on a shelf in my garage. I'm going to have to open up a couple boxes and do a look-see.
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Re: Quality lower ball joints.
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02/22/22 10:31 AM
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Speaking of all this suspension stuff, I bought a Kanter front-end kit back in 1991 & installed on my AAR. Ball joints, tie rod ends, control arm bushings, etc. I bought a separate idler arm - probably Moog (I think Moog was good quality back in 91), & re-used the original fast ratio pitman arm which appeared to be good condition.
Anyway, the car has not been completed STILL! (I know, I know.....). Anyway, many of the dust boots have already split, & the rubber bushings for upper control arms look to be visibly splitting/deteriorating. Mainly though, did Kanter kits use good quality components? They have a lifetime warranty or have had for many years. Not sure about that far back though. See my first earlier comment (there are 2)
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Re: Quality lower ball joints.
[Re: TJP]
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02/22/22 02:13 PM
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moparx
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moog rubber parts started to go downhill in the mid to late 80's. at first, it was just the occasional tierod boot, but i thought it was just a possible bad batch. then it started to show up as cracked control arm bushings in a car that was freshly restored, zero miles, and garage kept. and yes, these bushings were installed correctly, and tightened with the full load of the car on the ground. it has gone downhill since. i have voiced my displeasure about this for at LEAST the last 15yrs, and probably closer to 20. however, it was happening long before i started to publicly complain about it ! almost every replacement part for our favorite toys has some form of overseas involvement in it, and since these parts are such a tiny, tiny part of any corporate profit, any complaints are just ignored. "you need it. we got it. no one else has it. just buy it and shut up." sad it's come to this, but it has, with no good outlook going forward. just my opinion while mumbling in my cheerio's...........not sure how your mileage will compare..........
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