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Re: Lynch Rd trunk lid Grafitti [Re: A12] #3009902
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I'm starting to think that the last things to go onto the car are the wheels and tires and that the interior, trunk and even the engine compartment is or are 95%-99% complete and that hooking up, bolting in or attaching the already in place components is all that is done after the driveline is installed. Look at these images and what's left but attaching the drive line to what is already there. The steering column attached to the steering box on the K-frame, trans linkage, throttle cable, trans kickdown linkage, leaf springs, brake hoses, etc., which to me would mean the interior and trunk were finished by this point, meaning no wheels/tires on the care to key off of for the spare.

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I just talked to my old friend that worked on the line and I asked about the spare and the markings. He said the spare was put into the car long before he put the wheels and tires on the car which was near the end of the line. He also said the markings under the deck lid was an inspector at the end of the line that checked the spare,jack, trunk mat and any other related items. The marks all depended on what the inspector wanted to scribble they all did their own thing, The tire was the main thing they noted.


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Originally Posted by 69hemibeep
I just talked to my old friend that worked on the line and I asked about the spare and the markings. He said the spare was put into the car long before he put the wheels and tires on the car which was near the end of the line. He also said the markings under the deck lid was an inspector at the end of the line that checked the spare,jack, trunk mat and any other related items. The marks all depended on what the inspector wanted to scribble they all did their own thing, The tire was the main thing they noted.


up up Thanks for doing the research and posting that up up

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Much appreciated. Thanks for asking him about it. I was thinking it would have been nice to have been able to ask my father about this. He worked at the Newark assembly plant when I was a kid, but passed away a few years ago. He probably would have remembered more about the soccer games they played with empty bolt boxes than he would have about the details of the cars though. 😄

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Originally Posted by 69hemibeep
I just talked to my old friend that worked on the line and I asked about the spare and the markings. He said the spare was put into the car long before he put the wheels and tires on the car which was near the end of the line. He also said the markings under the deck lid was an inspector at the end of the line that checked the spare,jack, trunk mat and any other related items. The marks all depended on what the inspector wanted to scribble they all did their own thing, The tire was the main thing they noted.


Thanks for reaching out to him. This does tie together many of the comments from the group. Reading your post, it sounds like he was working it the trim section of the line at Lynch Road? I have many questions about the process there.

The comments in the previous "Patik" article on the Super Birds could be unique to that model.

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Did you folks ever read the write up “building a Superbird”. It documents the assembling of a Superbird form pulling the sheet metal off the rack and spot welding to the done car. Just the Chrysler factory part, not the creative industries add ons.

Some of the guesses above are comical, sit back and read this and learn how a car was assembled.

http://www.wwnboa.org/patik.htm

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Originally Posted by NANKET
Did you folks ever read the write up “building a Superbird”. It documents the assembling of a Superbird form pulling the sheet metal off the rack and spot welding to the done car. Just the Chrysler factory part, not the creative industries add ons.

Some of the guesses above are comical, sit back and read this and learn how a car was assembled.

http://www.wwnboa.org/patik.htm


It is referenced several times in the thread as the "Patik" article since he is the author. Thanks for your input.

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Re: Lynch Rd trunk lid Grafitti [Re: Big D A12] #3010139
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Originally Posted by Big D A12
Originally Posted by NANKET
Did you folks ever read the write up “building a Superbird”. It documents the assembling of a Superbird form pulling the sheet metal off the rack and spot welding to the done car. Just the Chrysler factory part, not the creative industries add ons.

Some of the guesses above are comical, sit back and read this and learn how a car was assembled.

http://www.wwnboa.org/patik.htm


It is referenced several times in the thread as the "Patik" article since he is the author. Thanks for your input.

D


IMO this is a wrong order of assembly and it's shown to be wrong in the photos I posted, again IMO.

Note that the Trim Line is listed AFTER the Chassis Department: Engine "dress" mating or as it is called the "marriage" of the engine-transmission-rear end assemblies. You can clearly see those items in place BEFORE that point.
Also "Final Line: Glass, INTERIOR, and final details were also in place long before that point according to not only the assembly line photos I posted but many, many others.

The Lynch Road Plant consists of six major areas of assembly, each of which functions as a nearly-independent mini-factory.

Metal Shop = Body-in-White (BIW): assembly of complete bare body.
Paint Shop: metal preparation, painting.
Chassis Department: Engine "dress," mating of engine-transmission-rear end assemblies.
Trim Line: Installation of body mechanical and electrical parts and sub-assemblies.
Final Line: Glass, interior, final details.
Car conditioning: Repair of completed vehicles, misc. tasks.


Another question about the Superbird, did each Superbird have an individual Scheduled Production Date or a group "window" date like the two SPD's of the A12 of 3/29 and 4/26??

I can also tell you straight from Dick Maxwell's mouth to me in several personal talks with him how Production Planning and Fleet Engineering handled the A12 cars and how they were scheduled into the never saw stop assembly line. Strip away the unique special items that made the Superbirds and show me what couldn't be done on the standard assembly line?? Nothing special about the engine, driveline, interior, mounting fenders, paint, BIW, etc., just the nose cone, and wing most all of the rest was not that different that say a '69 Charger 500 including its flush rear window. On the A12 there were only a few things that couldn't be installed or done on the normal assembly line and those were the installation of the fiberglass hood, carburetors, hood decals and the high idle solenoid, Everything else was the same as if it were a Hemi Road Runner/Super Bee or a 440 GTX/RT. Dick said that the hood and items that were not assembly line items were done in a special area after the cars were finalized. Which you can see by the two different directions the SIX PACK decals were installed on the A12 Super Bees catfight grin laugh2 Now what about the SPD's for the Superbird? wink

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We all know that Superbirds were built at Lynch Road and 68 Chargers were built at Hamtramck.
Certainly could be different order of procedures at the different plants.

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Yes could be up I'll see what I can find for Lynch Road.

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Originally Posted by NANKET
We all know that Superbirds were built at Lynch Road and 68 Chargers were built at Hamtramck.
Certainly could be different order of procedures at the different plants.


According to (Darrin's aka Big D A12) Lynch Road "TAXI" build brochure the interior is done AFTER the body and driveline are mated and on the wheels. Yes Lynch Road Assembly is DIFFERENT than Hamtramck up

Included is a "W" like on the left side of the windshield in the second image, found inside of an A12's driver's door.

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And to keep it fun let's play find the sometimes only slightly painted and most time NOT bent Lynch Road Fender Tag and the reason why wink

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Originally Posted by A12
And to keep it fun let's play find the sometimes only slightly painted and most time NOT bent Lynch Road Fender Tag and the reason why wink

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It's hanging on the top of windshield channel. I think with a wire hook.

Guy in club had a Butterscotch A12 Super Bee that when they re-did the headliner there was an outline of of the fender tag or something.

I think that car was mostly original paint. Wonder where it ended up. Sold out of So Cal in mid to late 90's.

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LOL I have had more that one expert try and tell me my tag on the runner is fake because there was no bend. A little knowlege is dangerous.

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Re: Lynch Rd trunk lid Grafitti [Re: ZIPPY] #3011803
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Originally Posted by ZIPPY
This old friend of mine is RS23L9A........

"F70" seems obvious enough. What does the "X" refer to?

I've seen "Red" before. I can't remember if I've ever seen anything referring to a whitewall like "W",
but I have definitely never seen "X" before (other than my own car).

I've kicked it around with a couple people, some say it means the spare tire (and hence, all of them on the vehicle) were flipped around
to blackwall.

What I have been told sounds plausible, but....no idea. Anyone?



Let’s summarize this thread based upon the original post. What do the 1969 Lynch Road trunk graffiti letters mean? Specifically, the “X” but others as well.

The letters specify the sidewall color, except the “X”.

R or Red: Red Sidewall
W: White Sidewall
B: Raised White Letter Sidewall (A14/A15 or A39/A40 options only, T87 tire code)

X = Not a sidewall designation. Data supports a 15-inch rim is the intent of the X. Research continues.


Other salient points that emerged from the discussion.

1. In 1969 at Lynch Road the spare tire was installed before the other wheels. This is supported by date codes on the spare tire rim being sometimes significantly different than the other 4 rims.

2. The trunk marking is for quality assurance applied at the end of the line. Data supports there were only a few line workers who did this assurance check. This is supported by the consistent handwriting and repeatability of the markings.

These points are supported by eyewitness account of an employee who worked at Lynch Road on the line in 1969. Point 1 differs with the “Patik” article on the 1970 Super Birds. I feel we need to be careful comparing pictures/articles from various model years and or plants as processes obviously changed.


Moving forward, I encourage everyone to help with the research on this topic. When you see a 1969 Lynch Road trunk graffiti mark, please collect photos of the marking, VIN, fender tag, window sticker and broadcast sheet if available. Without the marking tied to the car, it just adds more questions than answers.

Thank you everyone for participating in the thread. I hope to see more photos posted in the future.

D

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