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No mention that Challenger outsold Mustang last year? #3009404
01/26/22 09:06 PM
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Re: No mention that Challenger outsold Mustang last year? [Re: DaveRS23] #3009414
01/26/22 09:29 PM
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I always thought those sold like over 100k/year

I’m thinking the whole American pony car segment is taking a hit.

Wonder what the totals are from 1980 to now for: Mustang, Camaro (when offered), Firebird (when offered) and Challenger (when offered) combined are?

Challenger:

Year sold
2008 17,423
2009 25,852
2010 36,791
2011 39,534
2012 46,788
2013 51,462
2014 51,611
2015 66,365
2016 64,478
2017 64,537
2018 66,716
2019 60,997
2020 52,955
2021 54,315


CHEVROLET CAMARO – US – BY YEAR

Year sold
2009 61,648
2010 81,299
2011 88,249
2012 91,314
2013 80,294
2014 86,297
2015 77,502
2016 72,705
2017 67,940
2018 50,963
2019 48,266
2020 29,777
2021 21,893


FORD MUSTANG – US – BY YEAR

Year sold
2005 160,975
2006 166,530
2007 134,626
2008 91,251
2009 66,623
2010 73,716
2011 70,438
2012 90,706
2013 77,186
2014 82,635
2015 122,349
2016 105,932
2017 81,866
2018 75,842
2019 72,489
2020 61,090
2021 52,384

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Re: No mention that Challenger outsold Mustang last year? [Re: autoxcuda] #3009421
01/26/22 09:41 PM
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New Camaro sightings in traffic seem to be low in the last two or three years so maybe they really are in a sales slump. I have not sat in one, but they look like they'd be hard to see out of???

Re: No mention that Challenger outsold Mustang last year? [Re: Neil] #3009424
01/26/22 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Neil
New Camaro sightings in traffic seem to be low in the last two or three years so maybe they really are in a sales slump. I have not sat in one, but they look like they'd be hard to see out of???


Visibility is not great. I drove a few. I liked them, but definitely hard to see out of.


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Re: No mention that Challenger outsold Mustang last year? [Re: not_a_charger] #3009436
01/26/22 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by not_a_charger


Visibility is not great. I drove a few. I liked them, but definitely hard to see out of.


Agreed. Unless I had the top down on the convert I rented, it was really bad. The big mirror on the windshield wasn't great for the front too.

Just for curiosity, here are Charger sales (US only)

Year sold
2005 44,804
2006 114,201
2007 119,289
2008 97,367
2009 60,651
2010 75,397
2011 70,089
2012 89,916
2013 98,336
2014 94,099
2015 94,725
2016 97,110
2017 88,351
2018 80,226
2019 96,936
2020 77,426
2021 78,388

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Re: No mention that Challenger outsold Mustang last year? [Re: DirectSubjection] #3009478
01/27/22 05:26 AM
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Ford has gone in the wrong direction with the Mustang and pissed off a LOT of enthusiasts by naming that stupid box-turd a Mustang. Like, worse than when Dodge hung the Charger nameplate on a 4-door taxi cab.

Not only that, but whereas the 2015-2016 era was revolutionary and a step UP from the previous models.... the late model stuff is no better than what done come before it and in several cases.... worse.
They changed the shift forks from steel to aluminum and transmission failure rates went up. There was a big problem with the early 24-injector motors where the programming had issue where it'd stay in direct injection mode during low rpm situations, or remain in port injection mode for high rpm situations. Granted, it was caught early and fixed with a programming update, but still....

Then, load on top of that all the junk tech they've been loading the car with. Granted, some is cool but some is just pointless and/or frivolous. Not to mention with the addition of crap, plus inflation.... you can't get a V8 Mustang for under 50k anymore. Way to alienate your market base, Ford.

I think I bought mine at exactly the right time. Scary thing is; for a 5-6 year old car, I could almost sell it today for what I paid for it. There seems to be an affinity for the earlier models with their transmissions that don't break and their engines that don't cook pistons or coke up valves. I don't think I've owned anything that held it's value like this car has been.


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Re: No mention that Challenger outsold Mustang last year? [Re: That AMC Guy] #3009485
01/27/22 07:01 AM
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Even though the classic mopar guys view the newer Challenger as too big It really is a great looking car. For being built on the big Cadillac platform they did a great job. I see younger guys and gals who probably don't even care for 1970s muscle cars driving newer Challengers. Non car enthusiasts tend to be attracted to the Challenger. That's a great accomplishment and great for business to draw in NON die hard old school customers. (Harley Davidson trying to accomplish this.) But what's the future for Challenger and Charger- turbo V6s and all electric?


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Re: No mention that Challenger outsold Mustang last year? [Re: That AMC Guy] #3009604
01/27/22 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by That AMC Guy
Ford has gone in the wrong direction with the Mustang and pissed off a LOT of enthusiasts by naming that stupid box-turd a Mustang. Like, worse than when Dodge hung the Charger nameplate on a 4-door taxi cab.

Not only that, but whereas the 2015-2016 era was revolutionary and a step UP from the previous models.... the late model stuff is no better than what done come before it and in several cases.... worse.
They changed the shift forks from steel to aluminum and transmission failure rates went up. There was a big problem with the early 24-injector motors where the programming had issue where it'd stay in direct injection mode during low rpm situations, or remain in port injection mode for high rpm situations. Granted, it was caught early and fixed with a programming update, but still....

Then, load on top of that all the junk tech they've been loading the car with. Granted, some is cool but some is just pointless and/or frivolous. Not to mention with the addition of crap, plus inflation.... you can't get a V8 Mustang for under 50k anymore. Way to alienate your market base, Ford.

I think I bought mine at exactly the right time. Scary thing is; for a 5-6 year old car, I could almost sell it today for what I paid for it. There seems to be an affinity for the earlier models with their transmissions that don't break and their engines that don't cook pistons or coke up valves. I don't think I've owned anything that held it's value like this car has been.


Actually most used cars are holding nearly all their value right now, insanity in the used car market because of the junk that isn't hardly available new if you did want one.


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Re: No mention that Challenger outsold Mustang last year? [Re: HotRodDave] #3009617
01/27/22 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by HotRodDave

Actually most used cars are holding nearly all their value right now, insanity in the used car market because of the junk that isn't hardly available new if you did want one.


that's called inflation - it's the $ loosing value faster than the car is depreciating

Re: No mention that Challenger outsold Mustang last year? [Re: 6bblgt] #3009623
01/27/22 03:04 PM
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I know a guy here in town who bought a brand new 2019 Challenger, and the Dodge dealer he purchased it from bought it back for more than he paid for it back around October. They marked it up and sold it for more yet.

I drove past the GMC dealer out by the airport a few weeks ago and their new vehicle inventory parking area is a wasteland of emptiness.







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