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Re: talk me into or out of 17 inch rims [Re: oldjonny] #3004144
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I am running 17" rims on the back of my 51 Plymouth. P255/50R17 Hankook Z rated tires, I don't need the Z rating but I do want the improvement in traction and handling. I am using a set of new stock steelies for a 2008 and up Charger, Challenger for the rims. Pretty cheap from RockAuto, Dorman 939137. Probably not cheaper than just new 15" Cooper's, but Coopers aren't really performance tires and in my case 255's were never going to fit the stock 15" rims..

Clearances are good, I came up with a way to sort out how to figure max tire size without having to buy tires, mount them and see.

http://www.yourolddad.com/tires

Comparison between stock tire (middle one) and the replacements I went with.

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Re: talk me into or out of 17 inch rims [Re: Sniper] #3004154
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yeah, I read up on the charger wheels, but the bolt pattern isn't quite the same.
115 vs 114.3
I mean I guess it works for a lot of people.
there are other steelies that dorman makes, that are pretty inexpensive too.

Re: talk me into or out of 17 inch rims [Re: Andrewh] #3004159
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Originally Posted by Andrewh
yeah, I read up on the charger wheels, but the bolt pattern isn't quite the same.
115 vs 114.3
I mean I guess it works for a lot of people.
there are other steelies that dorman makes, that are pretty inexpensive too.


Dorman 939137 are 114.3mm, which is 4.499986".

115 is 4.527545"

Re: talk me into or out of 17 inch rims [Re: Andrewh] #3004172
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Interesting topic since I am debating going to the 17" Rallyes from Year One on my 72 RR.


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Re: talk me into or out of 17 inch rims [Re: Sniper] #3004186
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Originally Posted by Sniper
Originally Posted by Andrewh
yeah, I read up on the charger wheels, but the bolt pattern isn't quite the same.
115 vs 114.3
I mean I guess it works for a lot of people.
there are other steelies that dorman makes, that are pretty inexpensive too.


Dorman 939137 are 114.3mm, which is 4.499986".

115 is 4.527545"




and the factory wheel stamping process was that accurate. whistling laugh2
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Re: talk me into or out of 17 inch rims [Re: moparx] #3006248
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Im a no, not a big rims fan. They look better on trucks then cars because they usually have bigger wheel wells to fill.

Re: talk me into or out of 17 inch rims [Re: Andrewh] #3006291
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17s on both my old Road Runner and on my current Barracuda. I think 17s work well on old Mopars.

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Re: talk me into or out of 17 inch rims [Re: rrbrucea] #3006295
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Such a divisive issue.
Old school dudes that never take a corner faster than idle speed cling to their tall sidewall BF Goodrich tires.
Guys that like their cars to steer and stop better are willing to step outside of that narrow mindset.

Re: talk me into or out of 17 inch rims [Re: Kern Dog] #3006320
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I love bigger wheels on the cars, certainly not donk wheels but 17's to max 20's depending on the car. 14's and 15's look so small on these big cars. I say go for it.

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I went to 17's on my Cuda for more than aesthetic reasons. It was getting hard to find places to balance the old lug centric Road wheels. Most places now a days only know how to balance hub centric wheels. So you might want to consider that too. Many of the aftermarket wheels are hub centric, but you need to check the specs before pulling the trigger.

My wheels have 2.868 inch hubs which are a good fit for Mopar 2.688 inch hub. I use some thin, plastic hub rings and everything fits well.

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Re: talk me into or out of 17 inch rims [Re: Kern Dog] #3006435
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Originally Posted by Frankenduster
Such a divisive issue.
Old school dudes that never take a corner faster than idle speed cling to their tall sidewall BF Goodrich tires.
Guys that like their cars to steer and stop better are willing to step outside of that narrow mindset.



I whole heartedly agree with your take on it but I don't see my old school GTX being any kind of a "sports car" and the fact is, yes tire performance goes up as the sidewall gets smaller/shorter/lower but ride quality also goes down. I have enough cars in the fleet with 19" and 20" tires but they have much better suspension than a 52+year old muscle car. I don't mind the less performance in a car that has leaf springs and torsion bar suspension, I'll keep the extra sidewall cushion with low 30 psi tire pressure and squirm through the corners thank you. wink One of the highest performing, no make that the HIGHEST performance cars in the world have been running on 13" wheels for the last four decades up until this year, no problem with steering or braking with really tall sidewalls.

Re: talk me into or out of 17 inch rims [Re: Kern Dog] #3006449
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Originally Posted by Frankenduster
Such a divisive issue.
Old school dudes that never take a corner faster than idle speed cling to their tall sidewall BF Goodrich tires.
Guys that like their cars to steer and stop better are willing to step outside of that narrow mindset.


I switched to 17 inch rims on my Coronet back in 1992 and have never regretted it.

Re: talk me into or out of 17 inch rims [Re: AndyF] #3006475
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hadn't thought about that.
is the ride that much harsher, no other changes? going from 15's to 17's ?

I only have experience with Feet's hot rod as the other car. but his had so many changes, I couldn't attribute his harsh ride to just tires.

Re: talk me into or out of 17 inch rims [Re: Andrewh] #3006505
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It all depends on the look you are hoping to achieve.


It really doesn't matter whether you win or loose...
as long as you look good doing it!

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Re: talk me into or out of 17 inch rims [Re: BloFish] #3006538
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i like pizza cutters in the front, and steamrollers in the rear.
not a good combo for handling, but the look i have always liked.
just my opinion. your mileage will vary.
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Re: talk me into or out of 17 inch rims [Re: Andrewh] #3006562
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Originally Posted by Andrewh
hadn't thought about that.
is the ride that much harsher, no other changes? going from 15's to 17's ?

I only have experience with Feet's hot rod as the other car. but his had so many changes, I couldn't attribute his harsh ride to just tires.



The ride is similar to what you would have in a modern car. Firm, but not harsh. I use a 55 series tire so it isn't super low profile. The key is to use good shocks. I highly recommend the Koni adjustable shocks. A set of Koni shocks will last forever on a muscle car and they'll give you a performance sedan type of ride.

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Big wheels on old cars is like taking a young prime John Wayne and Clint Eastwood- and giving them manbuns, tight TIGHT Richard Rawlings blue jeans and a flannel shirt.


Keep old mopars alive.
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Originally Posted by 2boltmain
Big wheels on old cars is like taking a young prime John Wayne and Clint Eastwood- and giving them manbuns, tight TIGHT Richard Rawlings blue jeans and a flannel shirt.


F A L S E.

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Originally Posted by Frankenduster
Originally Posted by 2boltmain
Big wheels on old cars is like taking a young prime John Wayne and Clint Eastwood- and giving them manbuns, tight TIGHT Richard Rawlings blue jeans and a flannel shirt.


F A L S E.


I agree...false! Got a couple buddies that did some 18s on a Superbee and 17s on a 65 Coronet. Tastefully done it works fantastic! If you do rubber bands for tires on 22s....not so much!

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Most 15" street tires you can actually find now are the farthest thing from sticky. I like 15s fine, but I can do much harder braking with these 17s before I lock the wheels. I do have the later "cop" 11.75" rotors up front now, but the tires were a bigger help. The biggest braking improvement on a few of my cars has been more traction. Of course they do handle better. The ride is no worse, in my opinion, compared to the 15s--I have stock suspension.

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