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Does anyone know who bought the '70 limelight 6bbl Cuda conv?

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1970 Lime 6bbl Cuda convert - FAKE tag [Re: BH27G1B] #3005328
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BS27V0B133363 has a FAKE fender tag. twocents

It also has a a decode sheet for the fake tag with it done by a fake fender tag maker that is a self proclaimed 'Mopar expert'. runaway

Re: 1970 Lime 6bbl Cuda convert - FAKE tag [Re: Alaskan_TA] #3005338
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Don't they have to disclose that it's not the original fender tag?


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Re: 1970 Lime 6bbl Cuda convert - FAKE tag [Re: Mastershake340] #3005341
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People who can afford cars like this only care about the VIN number and if it looks good and can they make money reselling it in the future. They also don't care if any cars they buy are rebodies, just a simple fact that the holier-than-though still can't get through their heads... wave


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Re: 1970 Lime 6bbl Cuda convert - FAKE tag [Re: Rhinodart] #3005348
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Originally Posted by Rhinodart
People who can afford cars like this only care about the VIN number and if it looks good and can they make money reselling it in the future. They also don't care if any cars they buy are rebodies, just a simple fact that the holier-than-though still can't get through their heads... wave


Are you saying that using fake documentation and deceiving buyers are both OK with you?

Or? shruggy

Re: 1970 Lime 6bbl Cuda convert - FAKE tag [Re: Alaskan_TA] #3005351
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Originally Posted by Alaskan_TA
Originally Posted by Rhinodart
People who can afford cars like this only care about the VIN number and if it looks good and can they make money reselling it in the future. They also don't care if any cars they buy are rebodies, just a simple fact that the holier-than-though still can't get through their heads... wave


Are you saying that using fake documentation and deceiving buyers are both OK with you?

Or? shruggy


I took Jim's comments to mean that there are a class of people that don't care about anything other than the VIN number. They are willing to overlook rebodies, repop fender tags, etc. etc. And the purists in the audience can't understand why (how?) these people think like that. At least that's how I took it.


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Which is why I asked him for a clarification. ;-)

Re: 1970 Lime 6bbl Cuda convert - FAKE tag [Re: Alaskan_TA] #3005357
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Originally Posted by Alaskan_TA
Originally Posted by Rhinodart
People who can afford cars like this only care about the VIN number and if it looks good and can they make money reselling it in the future. They also don't care if any cars they buy are rebodies, just a simple fact that the holier-than-though still can't get through their heads... wave


Are you saying that using fake documentation and deceiving buyers are both OK with you?

Or? shruggy


Nope, not OK with me, I cannot afford such cars. Just stating facts that I have garnered over the last 20 years dealing with multi-millionaires and auctions... wave


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Re: 1970 Lime 6bbl Cuda convert - FAKE tag [Re: Rhinodart] #3005369
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Thanks for the clarification up

As far as this part goes;

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I cannot afford such cars


No one should ever be put in a situation where they buy anything with numbers issues that were not fully disclosed by the seller.

Fakery not mentioned by the seller (auction house or not) can lead to a lawsuit.

In the case of altered VINs / VIN swaps, even if the buyer knew, the car could still be confiscated at any time.

No one, no seller, no buyer, no auction house - should ever want to be able to 'afford' that, it would be idiotic.

Re: 1970 Lime 6bbl Cuda convert - FAKE tag [Re: Alaskan_TA] #3005397
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Originally Posted by Alaskan_TA
Thanks for the clarification up

As far as this part goes;

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I cannot afford such cars


No one should ever be put in a situation where they buy anything with numbers issues that were not fully disclosed by the seller.

Fakery not mentioned by the seller (auction house or not) can lead to a lawsuit.

In the case of altered VINs / VIN swaps, even if the buyer knew, the car could still be confiscated at any time.

No one, no seller, no buyer, no auction house - should ever want to be able to 'afford' that, it would be idiotic.



Having seen many of these in the last 20+ years the only thing the auction company guarantees is the title and VIN Period!!!
I know of only two cases that resulted a buyback or compensation.
One was a phonied up 64 409 4 spd Impala represented to be number matching original this that etc. During our inspection flags started popping up. The car turned out to be born with a 283 2 barrel with a powerglide. D-sh-t seller even gave the buyer the build sheet. Unfortunately for the seller (LOL), the buyer was part of the Kiewit family. OOPS!!! After the seller received a call from the Tennessee State Attorney Generals office he very willingly refunded the money, auction fees, transportation fees and our fees as well. Had it be anybody else they would have been stuck with the car. It was a BJ deal and they would do nothing, NADA frown
The second one was a 73? Olds convertible (Land yacht) low mileage rare 455 option etc. Nice car but only a 350 single exhaust. One could even tell the emissions sticker was a fresh repo as was the air cleaner decal. The buyer happened to be a lawyer, OOPPS AGAIN!!! He settled for 18K back and kept the car. mecum did everything they could to assist.

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Having seen many of these in the last 20+ years the only thing the auction company guarantees is the title and VIN Period!


If what you allege is true, NO ONE should ever buy from an auction company, ever.

VIN tag & title sales are subject to Federal law and can be prosecuted.

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Originally Posted by Alaskan_TA
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Having seen many of these in the last 20+ years the only thing the auction company guarantees is the title and VIN Period!


If what you allege is true, NO ONE should ever buy from an auction company, ever.

VIN tag & title sales are subject to Federal law and can be prosecuted.


And few have ever been, plenty of examples out there! Remember when Galen called out a fake Hemi Cuda at Mecum that got him banned from Mecum for life? It was owned by the auction company and a couple years later came back out with NO VIN TAG on the dash! It promptly sold for way under Hemi Cuda numbers at the time. How about the B-J car that was bought by a judge and he lost the lawsuit! The Feds have bigger fish to fry... work


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Re: 1970 Lime 6bbl Cuda convert - FAKE tag [Re: Alaskan_TA] #3005774
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I’m not believing the buyer for a six figure car only cares about the vin. More like they are trusting the auction house has some responsibility to ensure everything is legit. Unfounded, but I’ve seen plenty of people that trust “professionals to do their job.” Talk about return on an investment when you figure out you’ve been duped? Yeah these people will be pissed, as the examples above illustrate.


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Originally Posted by SomeCarGuy
I’m not believing the buyer for a six figure car only cares about the vin. More like they are trusting the auction house has some responsibility to ensure everything is legit. Unfounded, but I’ve seen plenty of people that trust “professionals to do their job.” Talk about return on an investment when you figure out you’ve been duped? Yeah these people will be pissed, as the examples above illustrate.


The "auction house" has ZERO liability and only a few of the "six figure" buyers really care that much as those cars circulate between themselves like Epsteins girls... wave


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Who said the auction house has liability? That doesn’t mean people out there cant have the impression they do.

Rest is BS. Tell some guy his car is a forgery and see the fire get lit. More like they want something convenient than to run across six states looking at cars only to find problems and lose that time. To believe this “don’t care” line is to believe a fake masterwork painting “wouldn’t be an issue” for a buyer. After all it only has to look the part, right?

Not wanting to know? That would make the whole game easier if you were only in it for some sort of gratification from being known for buyer xyz car and aren’t up for the legwork to ensure you are getting a good one. Doesn’t mean it being revealed will go over well. Also blows that whole return on investment thing when you know about it and try to send it on down the line.


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Originally Posted by SomeCarGuy
Who said the auction house has liability? That doesn’t mean people out there cant have the impression they do.

Rest is BS. Tell some guy his car is a forgery and see the fire get lit. More like they want something convenient than to run across six states looking at cars only to find problems and lose that time. To believe this “don’t care” line is to believe a fake masterwork painting “wouldn’t be an issue” for a buyer. After all it only has to look the part, right?

Not wanting to know? That would make the whole game easier if you were only in it for some sort of gratification from being known for buyer xyz car and aren’t up for the legwork to ensure you are getting a good one. Doesn’t mean it being revealed will go over well. Also blows that whole return on investment thing when you know about it and try to send it on down the line.


And like a famous movie line, opinions vary! I am only giving people my experience dealing with many millionaire buyers over the years, of course there are exceptions to the rule who want experts to go over them with a fine tooth comb, but the majority still buy perfumed pigs after a few cocktails because they look pretty... wave


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Post up some examples of these cars that are known fakes that these gold chainers aren’t bother by. Not a problem doing so since you say they “don’t care” and there is a ready supply of these people to buy them next go round.


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Originally Posted by SomeCarGuy
Post up some examples of these cars that are known fakes that these gold chainers aren’t bother by. Not a problem doing so since you say they “don’t care” and there is a ready supply of these people to buy them next go round.


I agree, they care, they just don’t live and breathe the authentication stuff like us Mopar people do. Remember a lot of these cars CANT be authenticated to the level that late 60s and 70’s mopars can. It’s more a level of ignorance than not caring.







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