Re: Rattle can or automotive paint for engine??
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Rebuilding the engine in the roadrunner. In the past I've always used rattle cans to paint engines (duplicolor, Mopar Performance, etc) but I've never been too impressed with how the paint looks like after a year or two, seems like it lifts with coolant leaks or stains easily with oil. I was considered painting this engine with enamel in the HPLV gun in the hopes that the paint would be more durable and look better longer. Am I wasting time and money or would I be much happier going this route? A few professional painters I know say spray gun - has more solids in it than a rattle can does.
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Re: Rattle can or automotive paint for engine??
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For decades I've used pretty much every brand of rattle can paint then a few years ago a friend suggested I try some good single stage paint out of my gun. Ever since I've been using Nason Full Thame over self etching primer and been really happy. Sure holds up so much better and last for years. I drive my cars year around. Does cost a lot more. Around 80.00 per pint plus hardener and reducer and that is enough to do 2 motors. Big down size is that they are probably more shinny that the original paint jobs,
72 Satellite Sebring Plus 440, 72 Dart 5.9 4-spd, 68 Valiant, 73 W200, 78 D100 sb, 78 D200, 98 DAKOTA, . Moparmarks Parts & Restorations Desert Mopar Metal Grand Jct. CO 970-261-7039 http://moparmark.com/motormangj@gmail.com
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Re: Rattle can or automotive paint for engine??
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Yes, those are shinier than the factories did them, but better looking. An argument can be made that nowadays, people expect them shiny, and I get that. I've usually painted engines with cans, and over a thoroughly clean & primed engine, they've held up fine for 30+ years. They all look recently done, but I keep them clean. I've also used the Bill Hirsch stuff, and it was excellent. So, whatever you like and are equipped to do, I guess. It's one of those debates that will go on forever.
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Re: Rattle can or automotive paint for engine??
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For decades I've used pretty much every brand of rattle can paint then a few years ago a friend suggested I try some good single stage paint out on my gun. Ever since I've been using Nason Full Thame over self etching primer and been really happy. Sure holds up so much better and last for years. I drive my cars year around. Does cost a lot more. Around 80.00 per pint plus hardener and reducer and that is enough to do 2 motors. Big down size is that they are probably more shinny that the original paint jobs, I wonder if they could add some "flatner" to the paint to make it look less shiny??
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Re: Rattle can or automotive paint for engine??
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I also paint all the bolt on parts with Nason gloss black. The way I see it in 10 years and 60,000 miles they will be just right.
72 Satellite Sebring Plus 440, 72 Dart 5.9 4-spd, 68 Valiant, 73 W200, 78 D100 sb, 78 D200, 98 DAKOTA, . Moparmarks Parts & Restorations Desert Mopar Metal Grand Jct. CO 970-261-7039 http://moparmark.com/motormangj@gmail.com
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Re: Rattle can or automotive paint for engine??
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For decades I've used pretty much every brand of rattle can paint then a few years ago a friend suggested I try some good single stage paint out on my gun. Ever since I've been using Nason Full Thame over self etching primer and been really happy. Sure holds up so much better and last for years. I drive my cars year around. Does cost a lot more. Around 80.00 per pint plus hardener and reducer and that is enough to do 2 motors. Big down size is that they are probably more shinny that the original paint jobs, I wonder if they could add some "flatner" to the paint to make it look less shiny?? I don't know.
72 Satellite Sebring Plus 440, 72 Dart 5.9 4-spd, 68 Valiant, 73 W200, 78 D100 sb, 78 D200, 98 DAKOTA, . Moparmarks Parts & Restorations Desert Mopar Metal Grand Jct. CO 970-261-7039 http://moparmark.com/motormangj@gmail.com
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Re: Rattle can or automotive paint for engine??
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I would think for a correct restoration you'd want to use an enamel not a urethan like I do. I build really nice drivers not correct cars so the shinny motors work for me and my customer.
72 Satellite Sebring Plus 440, 72 Dart 5.9 4-spd, 68 Valiant, 73 W200, 78 D100 sb, 78 D200, 98 DAKOTA, . Moparmarks Parts & Restorations Desert Mopar Metal Grand Jct. CO 970-261-7039 http://moparmark.com/motormangj@gmail.com
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Re: Rattle can or automotive paint for engine??
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I would think for a correct restoration you'd want to use an enamel not a urethan like I do. I build really nice drivers not correct cars so the shinny motors work for me and my customer. My cars are drivers as well and I don't mind the shiny paint on the engine. I'll look into using enamel and see what folks suggest. Thanks again for sharing your experience/pictures.
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Re: Rattle can or automotive paint for engine??
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For decades I've used pretty much every brand of rattle can paint then a few years ago a friend suggested I try some good single stage paint out on my gun. Ever since I've been using Nason Full Thame over self etching primer and been really happy. Sure holds up so much better and last for years. I drive my cars year around. Does cost a lot more. Around 80.00 per pint plus hardener and reducer and that is enough to do 2 motors. Big down size is that they are probably more shinny that the original paint jobs, I wonder if they could add some "flatner" to the paint to make it look less shiny?? I don't know. Absolutely yes you can. I paint engines with Urethane paint (paint gun obviously) and add flattening agent to the mix if I want it more dull/satiny like the factory look. How much flattening agent you add affects how shiny or dull the paint ends up when it's dry. On something that isn't stock/restored I prefer a shiny paint on the engine. Urethane holds up far better than rattle can. Self etching or epoxy primer than paint with urethane is what I do.
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Re: Rattle can or automotive paint for engine??
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i myself prefer using a spray gun. regular enamel paints can successfully be sprayed without using catalyst and only using reducer. it won't be as durable as with catalyst but more durable than a bomb. without catalyst will leave a duller finish. i THINK the factory sprayed this way. if you don't have access to full air pressure to use a spray gun. you should look into PREVAIL sprayer. they are basically a make your own spray bomb setup. i have used the hundreds of times in small areas. actually they seem to spray much better than a spray bome. most quality hardware stores sell them. i know the home depot and ace hardware store near me sell them. prevail sprayer
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Re: Rattle can or automotive paint for engine??
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12/20/21 10:47 AM
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Any chance of getting the paint codes you use or is it one of those "if you look it's obvious" kind of thing.
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Re: Rattle can or automotive paint for engine??
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12/20/21 12:08 PM
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'Single stage urethane with a hardener is the gold standard paint for this type of application. Engine must be primed for this to work well. Acrylic enamel or a ceramic engine paint both with hardener are also good choices. Regular old spray bomb enamel type paint is the bottom of the barrel. It is like potted meat v/s a steak. If you are hungry enough you will eat either, but there is no comparison to the good stuff.
As far as a correct restoration goes, I have no idea as I don't care about that in the least.
PS I have also read about people using equipment paint with success but have not done so myself. I would only use one designed to mix with a catalyst or hardener of some sort if I chose to try it.
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