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Bigish cam, big motor- BIG redline? #2985607
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I have a 440, ductile iron main caps, block girlde, 440 source stroker kit- 4.5" stroke. 540" motor.
10.5 to 1 compression
cleaned up Victor heads
MSD igniton locked out at 34*
Single plane intake
electric water pump (only pulley turning is the alternator)
TEMPORARY 870 Vaccum secondaries holley (waiting on Holley EFI)
large stepped headers

Cam is a Crane solid roller, .684 lift at rocker with 1.5 rocker, 324* adv duration says minimum rpm 5000, max 8500

Car is a 68 barracuda, 4 speed 18 spline with 4.10 dana 60. tire is a MT ET street 30 x 12.5

What should I spin this motor to? I really am not looking to kick a rod out of the block, but man this thing doesnt come on untill 5k driving it around on the street.

This is a race car that is street driven ( I would go much smaller and more tame if I were do it again)

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With a 4.5" stroke, you've really got some piston speed there...
Hope you have some good rods (and rod bolts!) scope

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Give us the lobe duration at .050 lobe lift and the lobe centers, LSA, and were you installed the intake lobes please.
Are the Victor heads 440 port size or Max wedge intake port size?
how about spring pressures on the seats and open pressures work

I'm a firm believer in using the good old butt dyno tach, when the motor quits pulling hard shift it up scope
Use the butt impression first and then look at the tach. up scope
Which brand and style and center to center length are the rods?

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Re: Bigish cam, big motor- BIG redline? [Re: Cab_Burge] #2985627
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here is the cam card
heads are standard port- springs match cam card

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Re: Bigish cam, big motor- BIG redline? [Re: 8urvette] #2985634
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Holy crap...284/284 @0.050"!!!

Wow, I honestly thought something hir hairy was "race car only territory" stuff.

Then again, I am sporting a 240/248 in a 408" stroker meant for 95% street use.

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I you simply take the cam card rpm values and adjust the to the cubic ratio 440/540, the numbers would be 4,000 to 6,700, FWIW

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Yeah that combination would be almost undriveable on the street with 284 duration at 0.050 and a four speed. The problem with that combination is that the cam doesn't turn on until around 5000 rpm but you can't spin it much past 7000 rpm so you have a very narrow power band. You would probably be a lot happier if the duration was 20 degrees smaller.

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People used to use big huge cams like that with old 906 heads but a Victor head shouldn't require that much cam, even in a 540 unless it is a high rpm drag race only application. A bracket car with a trans brake and a 5500 stall converter would work pretty well with that cam but a street car with a four speed is going to be a nightmare. Every time you leave a stop light you'll be slipping the clutch since there will be almost zero torque at anything below 2000 rpm.

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Originally Posted by AndyF
People used to use big huge cams like that with old 906 heads but a Victor head shouldn't require that much cam, even in a 540 unless it is a high rpm drag race only application. A bracket car with a trans brake and a 5500 stall converter would work pretty well with that cam but a street car with a four speed is going to be a nightmare. Every time you leave a stop light you'll be slipping the clutch since there will be almost zero torque at anything below 2000 rpm.


I am street driving it now. Just got it all together (the car) and am working out the bugs. It isnt bad from a stop actually. Im sure the 4.10s help that out. but cruising under 3k you feel the lope of the cam, LOL! I can just let the clutch out from idle (1100 rpms) and as long as I go slow the car wont stall. But i do agree its bigger than I need. But it is what I have.

Just wodnering what RPM MAX this should go to.

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Looks a lot like what we used in the 70’s in Super Stock.
Smaller in lift than the popular Cam Dynamics R-286 which was .750” at the valve with stock 906 heads. Used the then popular 069J B & M converter which flashed around 4500.

With the stock heads they started to lose power around 6600. Not sure how much better your heads are.

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set the shift light to 6600, redline 7200, set the rev limiter to 7500. my twocents And running a 284 @.050 on the street isn't the end of the world realcrazy sounds about right if you want to go fast. As you seem to have found out it will idle and drive. Just keep the right side up. drive

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You could run it on a chassis dyno to figure out ideal shift point.


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Originally Posted by B1MAXX
set the shift light to 6600, redline 7200, set the rev limiter to 7500. my twocents And running a 284 @.050 on the street isn't the end of the world realcrazy sounds about right if you want to go fast. As you seem to have found out it will idle and drive. Just keep the right side up. drive

iagree 5k-7k. Sounds right to me.
FWIW...my 575" hemi w/ a 276/284 at .050" cam runs 5000-7200 or so.


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Re: Bigish cam, big motor- BIG redline? [Re: INTMD8] #2985718
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Originally Posted by INTMD8
You could run it on a chassis dyno to figure out ideal shift point.


I will be on the dyno, but I want to get my EFI on first and start dialing in some of that. Also I have a few small things to fix before that too. Small oil leaks here and there.

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I agree with CAB, butt dyno and et slip. It shouldn't take more than 4 or 5 passes to find your sweet spot. I would start your shift rpm at about 6500 and keep moving it up until you get your best et and speed. Trust what your car likes not numbers from a dyno.

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With a Stock block 4.500 stroke, and stock main caps, I wouldn't be spinning the thing over 6000rpm.


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Originally Posted by merpar
Trust what your car likes not numbers from a dyno.


Of course you can experiment at the track but if you have a power curve from a dyno you can calculate ideal shift points and see if you need to make changes in order to keep it in max average horsepower. Altering the engine combination or gearing if need be.


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I run a 285@.050" cam in my racecar. 572" it likes 6900. My bet is yours will want more.
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