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Re: 572 engine, PG or 727 trans? [Re: fast68plymouth] #2978251
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Originally Posted by fast68plymouth
I like the idea of the “all new” trans built with all the components designed for the rigors of drag racing.
So, budget allowing...... a TH400 or PG based combo would be my choice.


Yeah that is my thinking also. These guys have the budget for new parts and they like to tow every weekend to a race so it seems smart to use the good stuff rather than recycle old passenger car parts.

Re: 572 engine, PG or 727 trans? [Re: pittsburghracer] #2978288
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Re: 572 engine, PG or 727 trans? [Re: 440Jim] #2978293
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Originally Posted by 440Jim
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I'm leaning towards the PG since they have a couple of other cars with glides in them so they have PG spare parts. Also, the PG can be built with an aftermarket case which is SFI legal while the 727 requires a blanket or shield. I'm not sure which will be quicker down the track. They bracket race so they car about consistency more than ET. My guess is that the PG should work just fine behind the 572 and it might be a tad bit more consistent since it only has one gear change.


900 hp, 572 CID will have plenty of torque to get that car moving with a PG.
I highly recommend the aftermarket case (with bell). All the guts should be aftermarket at that level, so there is some choice of 1st gear ratio. Like a straight cut 1.80 gear set. And the Turbo style input shaft with matching converter.


I agree. I'm going to recommend that they get a quote from their transmission supplier for a PG. They'll have to make some changes to the car to fit a PG but nothing difficult for a race team. New driveshaft, shifter and crossmember should cover it. I'm assuming the Mopar starter will bolt right back in if the case was built correctly.

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Since breaking my 499, and working on building a 563, my Jerico would be a ticking time bomb. Starting from scratch, I wouldn’t even consider a 727. Either a TH400 or Glide. Why not start with an aftermarket case, and much better parts? Better options for gear sets. Options are endless. After weighing out all my options, I came to the best option available...

I ordered a Clutchless Liberty 4 Speed.


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Re: 572 engine, PG or 727 trans? [Re: Cab_Burge] #2978428
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I see lots of worries about the 727. Mine runs stock input and output shafts, stock input hub, 3 pin planets. Though I did go to a steel front planet after stripping 2 in aprox 725 passes. It does have aluminum drums and a home modified sun shell. Stranded me 3 times in 9 years. 2 of those were me being to cheap to invest in a steel front planet. The other was an aftermarket aluminum front clutch carrier failure. Who knows how many passes it had. I traded for it used. It was easily repaired and is still in service. Not that there isnt a time and place for a TH400 or a glide. But my 727 has certainly served me well. Doesn't kill clutches or band either. So basically it has a good front drum, Super sprag (though it never hurt the stock one), steel front planet. Like I stated it has some other used aluminum stuff. Front clutch carrier and a rear drum. But neither of those do I consider stronger than stock.
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Originally Posted by JERICOGTX
Since breaking my 499, and working on building a 563, my Jerico would be a ticking time bomb. Starting from scratch, I wouldn’t even consider a 727. Either a TH400 or Glide. Why not start with an aftermarket case, and much better parts? Better options for gear sets. Options are endless. After weighing out all my options, I came to the best option available...

I ordered a Clutchless Liberty 4 Speed.


At least something is going in the right direction these days. That is great news and I am exited to see it! I have so many questions.



Re: 572 engine, PG or 727 trans? [Re: FastmOp] #2978439
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Originally Posted by Jeremiah
Originally Posted by JERICOGTX
Since breaking my 499, and working on building a 563, my Jerico would be a ticking time bomb. Starting from scratch, I wouldn’t even consider a 727. Either a TH400 or Glide. Why not start with an aftermarket case, and much better parts? Better options for gear sets. Options are endless. After weighing out all my options, I came to the best option available...

I ordered a Clutchless Liberty 4 Speed.


At least something is going in the right direction these days. That is great news and I am exited to see it! I have so many questions.


I'll post a new thread when it arrives. I was very close to pulling the trigger on a ATI TH400 for the car... Would not spend one dime on a stock case transmission at this power level.


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Originally Posted by Jeremiah
Originally Posted by JERICOGTX
Since breaking my 499, and working on building a 563, my Jerico would be a ticking time bomb. Starting from scratch, I wouldn’t even consider a 727. Either a TH400 or Glide. Why not start with an aftermarket case, and much better parts? Better options for gear sets. Options are endless. After weighing out all my options, I came to the best option available...

I ordered a Clutchless Liberty 4 Speed.


At least something is going in the right direction these days. That is great news and I am exited to see it! I have so many questions.

Nice! lol

Re: 572 engine, PG or 727 trans? [Re: dvw] #2978511
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Originally Posted by dvw
I see lots of worries about the 727. Mine runs stock input and output shafts, stock input hub, 3 pin planets. Though I did go to a steel front planet after stripping 2 in aprox 725 passes. It does have aluminum drums and a home modified sun shell. Stranded me 3 times in 9 years. 2 of those were me being to cheap to invest in a steel front planet. The other was an aftermarket aluminum front clutch carrier failure. Who knows how many passes it had. I traded for it used. It was easily repaired and is still in service. Not that there isnt a time and place for a TH400 or a glide. But my 727 has certainly served me well. Doesn't kill clutches or band either. So basically it has a good front drum, Super sprag (though it never hurt the stock one), steel front planet. Like I stated it has some other used aluminum stuff. Front clutch carrier and a rear drum. But neither of those do I consider stronger than stock.
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Same here. Still running my ole 727 with plenty of street miles. Knock on wood so far so good. May try the billet 2nd gear launch valve body for my next upgrade. Anyone else with results of one of those valve bodies? Good or bad?


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Contact Pro Trans (661-940-7400) and talk to Dave or Darren about a Pro Flyte (a well kept secret about one of the best drag racing trans out their) for that car twocents scope

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Contact Pro Trans (661-940-7400and talk to Dave or Darren about a Pro Flyte (a well kept secret about one of ht best drag racing trans out their) for that car twocents scope


What's the difference between a Pro Flyte and a Torqueflite?


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The parts and cases, call them for more info please up
The Proflyte is a all out drag racing tranny with multiple choices on the ratio and is suppose to be (I've never own one whiney yet devil) very easy to maintain at the races and change gear ratios at the track also up
A good friend of mine ran one for years in a very fast PSCA 10.5 Outlaw car in SO CA , it wasn't a Mopar but it did end up with a Brad Andersen #8 billet blown Hemi motor in it boogie

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Originally Posted by Cab_Burge
The parts and cases, call them for more info please up
The Proflyte is a all out drag racing tranny with multiple choices on the ratio and is suppose to be (I've never own one whiney yet devil) very easy to maintain at the races and change gear ratios at the track also up
A good friend of mine ran one for years in a very fast PSCA 10.5 Outlaw car in SO CA , it wasn't a Mopar but it did end up with a Brad Andersen #8 billet blown Hemi motor in it boogie


Is the Proflyte a SFI case? Or is it a remachined 727 case?


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Originally Posted by JERICOGTX
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The parts and cases, call them for more info please up
The Proflyte is a all out drag racing tranny with multiple choices on the ratio and is suppose to be (I've never own one whiney yet devil) very easy to maintain at the races and change gear ratios at the track also up
A good friend of mine ran one for years in a very fast PSCA 10.5 Outlaw car in SO CA , it wasn't a Mopar but it did end up with a Brad Andersen #8 billet blown Hemi motor in it boogie


Is the Proflyte a SFI case? Or is it a remachined 727 case?


727 case. No one makes an SFI Torqueflite case at this time. Most Proflites are 727 cases with 904 internals amongst other rollerized components. Nothing different as far as regular 727 maintenance other than it probably has to be done more often. As far as the whole multiple ratio thing...A&A has a whole gamut of ratios available in their catalog. Being easy to change ratios at the track....no easier than a standard 727. ProTrans, A&A, Joel's on Joy, and A-1 amongst others all build their own version of a Proflite.

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Originally Posted by sixpakdodge
Originally Posted by JERICOGTX
Originally Posted by Cab_Burge
The parts and cases, call them for more info please up
The Proflyte is a all out drag racing tranny with multiple choices on the ratio and is suppose to be (I've never own one whiney yet devil) very easy to maintain at the races and change gear ratios at the track also up
A good friend of mine ran one for years in a very fast PSCA 10.5 Outlaw car in SO CA , it wasn't a Mopar but it did end up with a Brad Andersen #8 billet blown Hemi motor in it boogie


Is the Proflyte a SFI case? Or is it a remachined 727 case?


727 case. No one makes an SFI Torqueflite case at this time. Most Proflites are 727 cases with 904 internals amongst other rollerized components. Nothing different as far as regular 727 maintenance other than it probably has to be done more often. As far as the whole multiple ratio thing...A&A has a whole gamut of ratios available in their catalog. Being easy to change ratios at the track....no easier than a standard 727. ProTrans, A&A, Joel's on Joy, and A-1 amongst others all build their own version of a Proflite.


I can understand using something like that when it comes to Class racing, and a 727 case is required, but in a Bracket car, I see no reason it's a better option? How much does a trans like that cost? Seems like no one wants to say...


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Originally Posted by JERICOGTX
Originally Posted by sixpakdodge
Originally Posted by JERICOGTX
Originally Posted by Cab_Burge
The parts and cases, call them for more info please up
The Proflyte is a all out drag racing tranny with multiple choices on the ratio and is suppose to be (I've never own one whiney yet devil) very easy to maintain at the races and change gear ratios at the track also up
A good friend of mine ran one for years in a very fast PSCA 10.5 Outlaw car in SO CA , it wasn't a Mopar but it did end up with a Brad Andersen #8 billet blown Hemi motor in it boogie


Is the Proflyte a SFI case? Or is it a remachined 727 case?


727 case. No one makes an SFI Torqueflite case at this time. Most Proflites are 727 cases with 904 internals amongst other rollerized components. Nothing different as far as regular 727 maintenance other than it probably has to be done more often. As far as the whole multiple ratio thing...A&A has a whole gamut of ratios available in their catalog. Being easy to change ratios at the track....no easier than a standard 727. ProTrans, A&A, Joel's on Joy, and A-1 amongst others all build their own version of a Proflite.


I can understand using something like that when it comes to Class racing, and a 727 case is required, but in a Bracket car, I see no reason it's a better option? How much does a trans like that cost? Seems like no one wants to say...


Probably after the converter and shield it's up there with an Equalizer only less durable shruggy

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Those guys I'm talking about made a 2900 Lb. car run 6.17 at 234.+ MPH on a 10.5x33x16 tire with one of those trannies.
They had switch from a Mikes Monster Glide to the Proflyte when they were running a Ford motor in it with a lot of NOS, they later switch to twin torbos and them to crank driven Pro Charger on c16 and Q16. BobR was involved with that deal for a long time and he finally convince the car owner to switch to a Hemi up
I'm almost sure they don't use any stock parts in that tranny including the case, call them and find out scope


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