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Re: 1200 Horsepower options? [Re: birdtracker] #2977360
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Best machine has built 1200+ Hp BB mopar 632

BES has built B1 engines that have made almost 1100 , one carb .

I’m sure BES or Best Machine can build a Predator head engine that could make 1200.
Does it have to be carb ? Fuel inj probably a better option because you can use 2200cfm throttle body

IF price is important….. don’t build a BB mopar , GM is a lot cheaper whistling

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Re: 1200 Horsepower options? [Re: Mpetros] #2977458
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I'm hoping to build my next all out drag race BB wedge motor next year with a 4.500 bore Koleno high nickel block and use a old 4.375 stroke Sonny Bryant top fuel crank with full counterweights.
I'll use a set of B1-MC heads with a sheet metal 2x4 tunnel ram intake but I may try the cast single four barrel intake with a single1050 CFM Holley Dominator first along with maybe testing E85 as fuel on the single carb deal work luck
I'm shooting for 1000 HP+ with the single four set up on race gas and 1100+HP on the 2x4 barrel set up on the best sheet metal tunnel ram intake, I have two of those intakes to test luck wrench

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Re: 1200 Horsepower options? [Re: Cab_Burge] #2977931
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I think this is a good indicator that the end of the Mopar SB and BB are on the last leg. How often do you see a non hemi Mopar winning at the track or street when the HP requirements are over 1200-1500. Thank God we have a strong foothold on the nostalgia classes, Mopar days and stock eliminator.

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Originally Posted by A/MP
I think this is a good indicator that the end of the Mopar SB and BB are on the last leg. How often do you see a non hemi Mopar winning at the track or street when the HP requirements are over 1200-1500. Thank God we have a strong foothold on the nostalgia classes, Mopar days and stock eliminator.


Yeah I was very surprised to see GM introduce a 1000 hp crate engine. That is crazy but also kind of cool. If those engines are available and the price is fair then you'll start to see a lot of them show up at the track. Mopar Performance could've introduced a 1000 hp big block crate engine years ago when had the blocks but I don't think there was anyone left at MP in those days who had the guts to make a project like that happen. It could've been done but it would've required breaking some of MP's old rules about which kind of parts to use.

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99 Hemi and be done. Would have to make a "cast" intake but HP goal would be met and exceeded.


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Re: 1200 Horsepower options? [Re: Mpetros] #2978104
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Originally Posted by Mpetros
Has to be a Single cast intake single 4, Cast Iron Block Wedge Engine.
Has anyone built anything close and tested on a realistic Dyno with numbers?
Thanks


Mopar has some nice choices at the 1000hp level, not so much at +1200hp level. That's going to be more of a one off, but it can be done. Me, I like the moved Center Line, 4.84 bore space 655 Millenium Hemi that Best Machine did a couple years ago. Made north of 1350hp...Problem is, no one makes a cast intake for those heads, so that leaves us just one choice...

A predator head engine. Problem is the cubes....I don't think there is a moved center line block & head for those available, but if there is, I would go that route but those heads do use a Hemi block, so maybe Best Machine can do another one of those blocks....no idea.

Lastly, as suggested, the Pro-stock Hemi 99...But again, the cast intake is the issue...Looks like those use a chevy 4.9 or 5.0 bore space block. Makes sense if you think about it. the chevy guys use non-skirted blocks like PS, and whomever builds one of these is likely to use a GM trans....block would typically be all setup that way. There are a couple for sale right now. Check RJ and For A-bodies only.

After all these years, we have trouble getting stock bore space replacement blocks, let alone anything after market to go even further with...Kinda tells you where the Mopar hobby is going...


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Re: 1200 Horsepower options? [Re: AndyF] #2978105
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Originally Posted by AndyF
Originally Posted by A/MP
I think this is a good indicator that the end of the Mopar SB and BB are on the last leg. How often do you see a non hemi Mopar winning at the track or street when the HP requirements are over 1200-1500. Thank God we have a strong foothold on the nostalgia classes, Mopar days and stock eliminator.


Yeah I was very surprised to see GM introduce a 1000 hp crate engine. That is crazy but also kind of cool. If those engines are available and the price is fair then you'll start to see a lot of them show up at the track. Mopar Performance could've introduced a 1000 hp big block crate engine years ago when had the blocks but I don't think there was anyone left at MP in those days who had the guts to make a project like that happen. It could've been done but it would've required breaking some of MP's old rules about which kind of parts to use.


Yeah, and I can see the local relative well to do midlife crisis GM wing nut buying one putting it in their bracket car and going 10.50's rolleyes

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Originally Posted by B1MAXX
Originally Posted by AndyF
Originally Posted by A/MP
I think this is a good indicator that the end of the Mopar SB and BB are on the last leg. How often do you see a non hemi Mopar winning at the track or street when the HP requirements are over 1200-1500. Thank God we have a strong foothold on the nostalgia classes, Mopar days and stock eliminator.


Yeah I was very surprised to see GM introduce a 1000 hp crate engine. That is crazy but also kind of cool. If those engines are available and the price is fair then you'll start to see a lot of them show up at the track. Mopar Performance could've introduced a 1000 hp big block crate engine years ago when had the blocks but I don't think there was anyone left at MP in those days who had the guts to make a project like that happen. It could've been done but it would've required breaking some of MP's old rules about which kind of parts to use.


Yeah, and I can see the local relative well to do midlife crisis GM wing nut buying one putting it in their bracket car and going 10.50's rolleyes


Or just putting it on display in their mini Garage Mahal.


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Re: 1200 Horsepower options? [Re: GY3] #2978111
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Goodwin Competition made 1200+ HP NATURALLY ASPIRATED w/ an Indy -1 head on a dragweek motor built for nitrous. You believe that? runaway

In reality, I think it would take something like a Predator or a good B1 MC or PSO to do it. Or whatever the biggest Indy conventional heads are now...600-13 or something like that?


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Re: 1200 Horsepower options? [Re: an8sec70cuda] #2978193
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FWIW the Goodwin stuff, ie 600-13xxx or whatever they call it sure seems capable in the couple that are out there. The cast intake for the 99 can be over come if one doesn't mind spending the $$. Be the same stuff we were forced to do in NA10.5 when we had a large weight break for a cast intake. But it can get really expensive, think two sheet metal intakes for the cost of one cast intake. While I have not ever really given it alot of thought but might be interesting to look at a 99 and see what if any cast intakes out there could be cut up to work. Like was done with the B1TS stuff back in the day. May not be so difficult now alot ore stuff out there. I know of a certain B1TS deal that has two cup intakes cut up and welded to gether in ordr to make the cast intake rule work for them.


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Re: 1200 Horsepower options? [Re: an8sec70cuda] #2978216
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Originally Posted by an8sec70cuda
Goodwin Competition made 1200+ HP NATURALLY ASPIRATED w/ an Indy -1 head on a dragweek motor built for nitrous. You believe that? runaway

In reality, I think it would take something like a Predator or a good B1 MC or PSO to do it. Or whatever the biggest Indy conventional heads are now...600-13 or something like that?


I find that 1200 NA from a -1 head hard to believe. Im not saying its not true, but wow thats hard to believe. A -1 head can flow 400cfm, but still hard to believe. Now 1200 with nitrous, yes that i will believe all day long


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Originally Posted by n20mstr
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Goodwin Competition made 1200+ HP NATURALLY ASPIRATED w/ an Indy -1 head on a dragweek motor built for nitrous. You believe that? runaway

In reality, I think it would take something like a Predator or a good B1 MC or PSO to do it. Or whatever the biggest Indy conventional heads are now...600-13 or something like that?


I find that 1200 NA from a -1 head hard to believe. Im not saying its not true, but wow thats hard to believe. A -1 head can flow 400cfm, but still hard to believe. Now 1200 with nitrous, yes that i will believe all day long

Exactly. Some guy all over the Mopar pages on FB has a white Duster he's putting together (writing checks) for drag week, supposedly, and loves posting pics of it. Gets real butthurt when anyone questions it.
Goodwin builds some awesome stuff, but I wonder what they know about making power w/ -1 heads that NOBODY else does.


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Re: 1200 Horsepower options? [Re: Al_Alguire] #2978253
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Originally Posted by Al_Alguire
99 Hemi and be done. Would have to make a "cast" intake but HP goal would be met and exceeded.


Yeah, tooling up a cast intake would cost less than trying to make some other combo work. Shouldn't be much more difficult that figuring what really works and then making a pattern. Although I'm not sure how well supported the 99 Hemi is anymore. Might be a struggle to find parts.

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Originally Posted by Dragula
Originally Posted by Mpetros
Has to be a Single cast intake single 4, Cast Iron Block Wedge Engine.
Has anyone built anything close and tested on a realistic Dyno with numbers?
Thanks


Mopar has some nice choices at the 1000hp level, not so much at +1200hp level. That's going to be more of a one off, but it can be done. Me, I like the moved Center Line, 4.84 bore space 655 Millenium Hemi that Best Machine did a couple years ago. Made north of 1350hp...Problem is, no one makes a cast intake for those heads, so that leaves us just one choice...

A predator head engine. Problem is the cubes....I don't think there is a moved center line block & head for those available, but if there is, I would go that route but those heads do use a Hemi block, so maybe Best Machine can do another one of those blocks....no idea.

Lastly, as suggested, the Pro-stock Hemi 99...But again, the cast intake is the issue...Looks like those use a chevy 4.9 or 5.0 bore space block. Makes sense if you think about it. the chevy guys use non-skirted blocks like PS, and whomever builds one of these is likely to use a GM trans....block would typically be all setup that way. There are a couple for sale right now. Check RJ and For A-bodies only.

After all these years, we have trouble getting stock bore space replacement blocks, let alone anything after market to go even further with...Kinda tells you where the Mopar hobby is going...


I agree. 1000 hp with a Mopar big block should be fairly easy using off the shelf parts, but 1200 hp might be either super difficult or impossible depending on who is doing it and how much money they have to spend.

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99 Hemi stuff is becoming harder and harder to find. Just went through this with a fellow board member who was trying to locate one. Took alot of phone calls and finally found a customer of a builder that had a spare he was willing to part with.

IMO as I said earlier a 1200 HP BB Mopar can be done. Yes even a single cast 4 can be. A 655" 600-13x deal should get you really close. We have one in bracket mode that makes 1100. We have done a couple Predators that were in the 1150 range with a single 4 so again not full tilt deals but not exactly typical bracket stuff ether. A PSO or TS deal can likely get there as well. Bottom line there are options if you are willing to go out on that ledge and spend the money.


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Best Machine posted this a while back...4.84 bore space Hemi....Bad engine right there...1359hp! Again no cast intake, but if you could re-config to Predator heads for the 4.84 bore centerline, you would have everything you need...A cast intake, +1300hp, and all in a Mopar...

https://board.moparts.org/ubbthread...052/655-hemi-4-84-bore-space-engine.html


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Originally Posted by AndyF
Originally Posted by Al_Alguire
99 Hemi and be done. Would have to make a "cast" intake but HP goal would be met and exceeded.


Yeah, tooling up a cast intake would cost less than trying to make some other combo work. Shouldn't be much more difficult that figuring what really works and then making a pattern. Although I'm not sure how well supported the 99 Hemi is anymore. Might be a struggle to find parts.

The 99 Hemi isn't a wedge head either as specified in the OP, never mind the intake. I don't think the Predator head would be considered a wedge head either would it?


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Originally Posted by an8sec70cuda
Originally Posted by n20mstr
Originally Posted by an8sec70cuda
Goodwin Competition made 1200+ HP NATURALLY ASPIRATED w/ an Indy -1 head on a dragweek motor built for nitrous. You believe that? runaway

In reality, I think it would take something like a Predator or a good B1 MC or PSO to do it. Or whatever the biggest Indy conventional heads are now...600-13 or something like that?


I find that 1200 NA from a -1 head hard to believe. Im not saying its not true, but wow thats hard to believe. A -1 head can flow 400cfm, but still hard to believe. Now 1200 with nitrous, yes that i will believe all day long

Exactly. Some guy all over the Mopar pages on FB has a white Duster he's putting together (writing checks) for drag week, supposedly, and loves posting pics of it. Gets real butthurt when anyone questions it.
Goodwin builds some awesome stuff, but I wonder what they know about making power w/ -1 heads that NOBODY else does.



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