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Re: Firecore vs. FBO [Re: carnut68] #2839811
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Had the Firecore on my 383. Actually had great characteristics, engine fired right up. However, the ECU went out and left me stranded. Tried ordering another but Summit now sells them and won’t provide spare parts. Pretty much on the shelf now.


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Re: Firecore vs. FBO [Re: dart4forte] #2840094
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Well got it installed and I must say it runs smoother, the tach doesn't dance on deccel anymore. But, it seems to take a little more cranking to fire it up warm now, and it dies sometimes like when you idle in the drive through, and didn't throw it into neutral. Or, back up and then let off the throttle to put it in park or drive. I need to find an Edelbrock carb guru.

Re: Firecore vs. FBO [Re: carrman] #2840102
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I had a firecore and its losened all up

Re: Firecore vs. FBO [Re: Cab_Burge] #2840114
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Originally Posted by Cab_Burge
Word to the wise, Don is known to stretch the truth when it comes to problems with parts, his or some other brands he sells down
He has never made a mistake he can't cover up work shruggy


Bingo!! anything he doesn't sell is junk unless he starts selling it then its the best product ever.

Re: Firecore vs. FBO [Re: OhioMopar] #2840243
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Originally Posted by 65Fury440
I've been using this deal from Progression Ignition.
Very happy with it, you can change curve tables in seconds. Idles and starts cleaner, and smoother all around than the old MP unit it replaced.
I feel better no one can start the car when it's off on security lock
You ditch the module and ballast, uses a full 12v

https://progressionignition.com/

I'm thinking really hard about picking one of those up.


I was hesitant, but ended up very happy with the purchase.

Re: Firecore vs. FBO [Re: carnut68] #2840244
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Originally Posted by carnut68
Originally Posted by 65Fury440
I've been using this deal from Progression Ignition.
Very happy with it, you can change curve tables in seconds. Idles and starts cleaner, and smoother all around than the old MP unit it replaced.
I feel better no one can start the car when it's off on security lock
You ditch the module and ballast, uses a full 12v

https://progressionignition.com/
Might just be the answer I need instead of a locking out dist. Which I have avoided doing.

Starting timing is 10 degrees, anything over starter RPM you can plug in. Mine likes 23 initial, all in by 1800. It takes minutes instead of hours to figure it out.

All things considered, between start retard, ditching the module, easy curve setting, race and street curve, ignition kill, I'm really happy with it.

Of course with anything new there is the possibility it could turn into a total turd in 2 years, got good reviews though.

Re: Firecore vs. FBO [Re: Cab_Burge] #2965563
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I know this is an old thread but thought I would add my two cents. I just had my second Firecore distributor fail in three years.The first one lasted 6k miles, the second one 4k miles.


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Re: Firecore vs. FBO [Re: NHCharger] #2965582
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Originally Posted by NHCharger
I know this is an old thread but thought I would add my two cents. I just had my second Firecore distributor fail in three years.The first one lasted 6k miles, the second one 4k miles.



They are junk!!! I also had 2 failures and know of many others with the same issue. That's why they are no longer being sold!

Re: Firecore vs. FBO [Re: max_maniac] #2965597
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Any idea why they failed? The pickup, internals blew apart......?

Re: Firecore vs. FBO [Re: tman] #2965605
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X2 on what ? Issues , bee more specific

I see Firecore no longer sells the RTR Distributors

However



Running a vacuum advance Firecore on my 383 Street 71 Bee

Three summers now

Thanx

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Re: Firecore vs. FBO [Re: carrman] #2965606
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Why not use yours by shortening up the mechanical advance by welding up the slots to get the amount you want ? work
All the older stock Mopar electronic distributors I've done that to have the amount of mechanical advance stamp on the bottom of the upper part that rotor slides onto piece, IE stamped 12 =24 degrees advance ,(the distributor rotates half as fast as the crankshaft so you need to double the numbers stamped to get crankshaft degrees) 13 =26 degrees and so on. Measure the diameter of the pins on the advance weights and subtract that from the length of the slot, say pin is .250 diameter, probably bigger but this will work for this discussion, and the slot is .650 long so .650 - .250 leaves .400 and it is stamped 12 which is 24 degrees mechanical advance and you want to reduce it 16 degrees so you can set the idle at 16 BTDC and end up 32 degrees total mechanical so you divide the .400 x 24 which equals .0333 per one degree times 8 = .2666 to get the length needed to have 16 degrees total mechanical advance weld
I weld up the slots shorter than needed and then use a dye grinder to get them to the exact length I want wrench up scope
Works good, last a long time boogie grin


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Re: Firecore vs. FBO [Re: tman] #2965635
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Originally Posted by tman
Any idea why they failed? The pickup, internals blew apart......?


Not sure the exact cause, two different symptoms.
2018 we were getting ready to leave for a car show, engine started running rough, took car out for a quick spin came back and decided to check timing, turned car off wouldn't start again until I changed distributor..

9/42021- driving to car show car just turned off while I was pulling up to stop light, slipped it into neutral and it started back up. Bogged a couple times while getting on highway on way home. Figured I had some [censored] in the carb and removed carb and cleaned when I got home. 9/11/21- when leaving car show had trouble starting, would start then die, took several attempts to start. Figured still carbs issues, fiddled with it ran good next day. 9/19/21. would start then die, figured it was fuel issues with symptoms. Swapped carbs, nothing, pulled fuel pump, checked fuel pump push rod, looked good, swapped in spare firecore distributor, started right up.
I'm done with this Chinese junk.

Pretty sure Summit has bought out firecore and you can get this crap from them.


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Re: Firecore vs. FBO [Re: NHCharger] #2965690
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So these must bee the RTR Distributors your talking about ? Built in ignition module inside distributor ?

Again , I see Firecore stopped making/selling these


Jegs and Summit still sell the Firecore NON RTR Distributors under there brand name


MSD has had issues with there RTR Distributors also


I wanted to try a RTR Pertronix Distributor , but it wouldn’t clear the Edelbrock aluminum heads due to size

Chinese junk is true for all of them , isn’t it ? - Same with oil filled canister coils

We are running out of options

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Re: Firecore vs. FBO [Re: bee1971] #2965709
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Pertronix in a stock dist with the curve adjusted appropriately is my go-to. If you need a rev limiter they make an add-on box that also provides a tech signal.



Re: Firecore vs. FBO [Re: NHCharger] #2965755
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Thanks for the details. Sounds like the pickup is bad. There is an easy way to troubleshoot the pickup. If that is the cause, the part is pretty inexpensive.

http://www.fourforty.com/techstuff/ignition.html

Re: Firecore vs. FBO [Re: tman] #2965881
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A good Ohm meter is your friend, I think the pick up should have between 400 to 500 ohms across the leads but make sure before testing scope up


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Re: Firecore vs. FBO [Re: NHCharger] #2965885
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Pretty sure Summit has bought out firecore and you can get this crap from them.


Not true ---- Summit and Jegs also carry them and it's just a part any supplier can buy and sell. The problem I had with both of mine was the internal part that held the weights were made of plastic and wore out quickly. It would then jump timing and make the engine run horrible and could have even caused internal engine damage. My understanding is Summit and Jegs had enough buying power that they forced the supplier to fix the issue. Just more Chinese junk anyway!

Re: Firecore vs. FBO [Re: Jeremiah] #2965946
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Originally Posted by Jeremiah
Pertronix in a stock dist with the curve adjusted appropriately is my go-to. If you need a rev limiter they make an add-on box that also provides a tech signal.


Advice above....get rid of all of the revenator, Don@FBO, Firecore etc. gimmicks and run a Pertronix. The one in my Dart has no problem supporting 600hp on nitrous.

Once the MP boxes went to h ell it just didn't make sense to use anything else for a points replacement. Two wires, stand-alone unit, commonly available...what else do you need. If you really, really think you need an ignition box step up to a MSD and be done with it. The rest of over-marketed ignition products out there are known to be pretty much junk or they are akin to using an axe in lieu of a butter knife. Like the guy with the .509 hydraulic cam in his automatic street car that thinks he needs a rev limiter. We used to call that "valve-float" lol!



Re: Firecore vs. FBO [Re: Jeremiah] #2966123
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First the Firecore coil died, replaced it with an old accel. Then the Summit/firecore rtr distributor died and left me stranded. I went to an msd box with a summit (I think) coil and got a recurved distributor from fbo. Weird thing was the directions said to use full manifold vacuum which Ive never done. But, it hasn’t let me down like the others.

Re: Firecore vs. FBO [Re: Jeremiah] #2966293
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Been using Ice Ignition products for 10+ years now and never an issue with it. They only have 7amp and 10amp boxes. I use the 7amp with the coil voltage booster, which boosts the coil voltage to 16+ volts. I think they make a good quality product.

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